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[pet_doggy]

ive looked everyhwhere an i cant find the information for my assignment if you could help it would be greatly apreciated:

<DIR>What properties would be important if u were to choose a timber to be used in each of these applications? Why?
*a match
*a icy pole stick
*a pencil
*a house frame
*a kitchen bench
*a bathroom floor
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[Rookie]

You probably won't find the answers searching for the answers.

I don't think we should just give you the answers, if in fact we knew them, but for each item, think about what could be dangerous or go wrong of the wrong timber was chosen. I know I would want an icy pole stick splintering in my mouth for instance, or going all soggy and bendy once it had an icy pole on it. What about the other 5?

[pet_doggy]

well where not ment to actually make these items just find out the propitys that they would have and a sugested wood

[Jedo_03]

ive looked everywhere an i cant find the information for my assignment if you could help it would be greatly apreciated:
:confused:


<DIR>What properties would be important if u were to choose a timber to be used in each of these applications? Why?
*a match
*a icy pole stick
*a pencil
*a house frame
*a kitchen bench

*a bathroom floor



Do you have to nominate the timber as well - or just state the properties. . ?
CheersJedo
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[Rookie]

well where not ment to actually make these items just find out the propitys that they would have and a sugested wood

Didn't ask you to make them. Just gave you an example of what properties I think an icy pole stick should have. You might need to think out the rest.

[pet_doggy]

im really not sure, i would thinkl it wise to nominate a timber as well, just in case....

[joseph84]

slip your teacher $20 and an A+ is yours ;)

[pet_doggy]

HAHA good idea, but my teacher is really strict :P

[joseph84]

$20 and a scotch

[pet_doggy]

hahahahaha
apart from the fact that im too young to by alcohol! :D

[craigb]

You should have paid attention in class.

[Sturdee]

slip your teacher $20 and an A+ is yours ;)


HAHA good idea, but my teacher is really strict :P


In that case send each of us $20 and we'll supply you a set of answers, else don't expect us to do your school work for you.:mad:



Peter.

[pet_doggy]

we weren't given any information in class

[pet_doggy]

slip your teacher $20 and an A+ is yours ;)


In that case send each of us $20 and we'll supply you a set of answers, else don't expect us to do your school work for you.:mad:



Peter.

......sorry, you dont have to help if you dont want to...... i was just asking......:(

[Rookie]

pet_doggy, it's not a case of not helping you, but helping you come up with the answers is better then just giving them to you so you can complete an assignment without thinking about it or knowing about it. As Sturdee said, we won't do your schoolwork for you. But we can help you do it.

So think about bathroom floors. What properties would they need to have that, say, a bedroom floor wouldn't.

[Groggy]

ive looked everywhere an i cant find the information for my assignment if you could help it would be greatly apreciated:
:confused:

<dir>What properties would be important if u were to choose a timber to be used in each of these applications? Why?
*a match
*a icy pole stick
*a pencil
*a house frame
*a kitchen bench
*a bathroom floor</dir>
<!-- / message -->Here's a few hints, what if:

the match broke when struck?
the item had poisonous chemicals in it?
the item caused an allergic reaction?
little splinters came off into food or hands?
pests were in the wood? (Donoghue and Stevenson ring a bell?)
the wood was not dry and shrunk a lot?
the wood had a bad odor?
the wood was ugly?
the wood had lots of knots in it, making it attractive but weak?A legal expectation is that a person could reasonably foresee an adverse consequence - what can you imagine? The more experience you get the more you think of.

[felixe]

we weren't given any information in class

That's why it's called homework, you are expected to go out into the wide world and "discover" the answers on your own. :D (Y'know go to the library, open a book. :confused: Not ask a woodwork forum, who knows what we might tell you!!:eek: )

[BobL]

OK - You want answers - I'll give you some answers.

I can't garantee they are write ansers but everyfing is roight u fin on the web, coret!

So what properties would be important if u were to choose a timber to be used in each of these applications? Why?
*a match ; The strength of the wood so it can prop eyelids open without splintering your eyes
*a icy pole stick : how hard the wood is, don't want to break any teeth on it
*a pencil : how well the wood burns so you can write a hot story
*a house frame : how water resistant the wood it, you don't want the house washing away in the first rain
*a kitchen bench : how smooth the wood can be made made so you don't catch the tea towel in the splinters
*a bathroom floor ; The hardness of the wood you don't want it wearing away

On no !!!! - I Fhink I got the ansers cornfused - but mabee u can still saught it oot.

[felixe]

:d :d :d Raotflmao!!!

[ian]

ive looked everyhwhere an i cant find the information for my assignment if you could help it would be greatly apreciated:


<DIR>What properties would be important if u were to choose a timber to be used in each of these applications? Why?
*a match fine grain, high bending strength low burning rate, 'cause you want to make very small sections that don't splinter and will strike without breaking and will burn slowly and evenly
*a icy pole stick fine grain that doesn't splinter easily, do you want splinters in your tongue
*a pencil hollow sticks that you can pour the lead into
*a house frame cheap, very cheap, light, easy to cut and nail i.e. softwood not hardwood
*a kitchen bench hard close grained, 'cause you want to be able to cut on it
*a bathroom floor fibre cement. Timber would be a "more money than sense" choice. But if you must, teak (as used for boat decks) water and rot resistance.
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now how many of those answers are designed to lead you astray??


ian

[davos2006]

matches are made from aspen logs and below is a site you can start for your quest.

http://www.diamondbrands.com/pages/match_facts/31.php

[davos2006]

your main tests of timber would be for strength,water resistance and impact resisitance( from being dropped)

maybe contact streets or pauls icecream to find relavent info

[MurrayD99]

I think the teacher might be encouraging you to think about the desirable properties, rather than look them up. Say you are on a desert island and can't ask anyone - but have to come up with answers before you can set off the distress beacon... Go on - give it a run.... or give the guys the twenties....

[dadpad]

icy pole stick needs to be non toxic prooved and tested and should not taint the Ice with a wood or sap flavour

[ian]

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<DIR></DIR>Pet dog
you really must resist the urge to post your assignment in more than one place
here's what i answered to you other post ...
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ive looked everyhwhere an i cant find the information for my assignment if you could help it would be greatly apreciated:
<DIR>What properties would be important if u were to choose a timber to be used in each of these applications? Why?
*a match fine grain, high bending strength low burning rate, 'cause you want to make very small sections that don't splinter and will strike without breaking and will burn slowly and evenly
*a icy pole stick fine grain that doesn't splinter easily, do you want splinters in your tongue
*a pencil hollow sticks that you can pour the lead into
*a house frame cheap, very cheap, light, easy to cut and nail i.e. softwood not hardwood
*a kitchen bench hard close grained, 'cause you want to be able to cut on it
*a bathroom floor fibre cement. Timber would be a "more money than sense" choice. But if you must, teak (as used for boat decks) water and rot resistance.</DIR>
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<DIR></DIR>now how many of those answers are designed to lead you astray??

BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, do you really think your teacher is so stupid as not to google the various forums looking to see who has tried to get someone else to answer their assignment ?

ian

[Stuart]

I'm not totally against someone seeking answers to a school assignment here - these are the sorts of resources available to school kids these days.

Why not seek answers to questions from experts. I was certainly not against it in my day. When given a question to find an answer over the lunch break using any resources available to you, I was known to walk up to the teacher in question, saying "you are a resource, and I know you know the answer, so can you give me the answer to the question?" and got it on more than 1 occasion!!!

So now there's the web, where a kid can come on here, and find a forum full of 100s of experts! It is of course, up to the kid to interpret what they find out online, as there is lots of misinformation out there too...... ;)

[Wood Butcher]

BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, do you really think your teacher is so stupid as not to google the various forums looking to see who has tried to get someone else to answer their assignment ?

ian

Ian, do you really think that teachers have the time to go and google the various forums???

For me (currently studying manual arts teaching), if the student took the initiative to come here and ask I would congratulate them! I don not se the smart #### comments neccessary!:mad:

[mic-d]

"*a pencil hollow sticks that you can pour the lead into"


I'm not sure, I can't find anything about pencil making, but is this the way they make pencils?? I mean wouldn't the lead set fire to the wood or harden before it filled the hole?

Cheers
Michael

[ian]

"*a pencil hollow sticks that you can pour the lead into"


I'm not sure, I can't find anything about pencil making, but is this the way they make pencils?? I mean wouldn't the lead set fire to the wood or harden before it filled the hole?

Cheers
Michaelpencils are made in halves.
you cut a groove in a long half round, place a cylinder of lead (which these days might be a polymer of some sort) in the grove and glue the second half on top.

ian

[mic-d]

pencils are made in halves.
you cut a groove in a long half round, place a cylinder of lead (which these days might be a polymer of some sort) in the grove and glue the second half on top.

ian

Yeah must be a polymer of some sort, don't think they could use lead anymore with the poisoning concerns over it.

Cheers
Michael

[ian]

Yeah must be a polymer of some sort, don't think they could use lead anymore with the poisoning concerns over it.

Cheers
MichaelMichael, it's been a very long time since real lead was used, to quote from wikipedia

Some time prior to 1565 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1565) (some sources say as early as 1500 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1500)), an enormous deposit of graphite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphite) was discovered at the site of Seathwaite Fell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seathwaite_Fell) near Borrowdale (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borrowdale), Cumbria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumbria), England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England). The locals found that it was very useful for marking sheep (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheep). This particular deposit of graphite was extremely pure and solid and it could easily be sawn into sticks. This was and remains the only deposit of graphite ever found in this solid form. Chemistry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemistry) was in its infancy and the substance was thought to be a form of lead. Consequently it was called plumbago (Latin for "acts like lead"). The black core of pencils is still sometimes referred to as "lead", even though it no longer contains the element (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_element) lead.

It was the Italians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italians) who first thought of wooden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood) holders. An Italian couple in particular named Simonio and Lyndiana Bernacotti were believed to be the ones to create the first blueprints for the modern carpentry pencil for the cause of being able to mark their carpentry pieces, however, their version was instead a flat oval, more compact type of pencil. They did this at first by hollowing out a stick of juniper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juniper) wood. Shortly thereafter, a superior technique was discovered: two wooden halves were carved, a plumbago stick inserted, and the two halves then glued together—essentially the same method that is in use to this day

ian

[ian]

Rowan

it's the sheer laziness that gets my goat.
wikipedia will tell you how pencils are made

if the plea for help were phrased "pencils are made this way ... but can someone explain why juniper is prefered to other timbers" then I would feel less put upon.

assignments are often more about the process than the answer


ian

[mic-d]

Michael, it's been a very long time since real lead was used, to quote from wikipedia


:rolleyes:
Ermmm... My last two posts were in jest - look at the subject line:D

Graphite (a form or pure carbon) is still used in pencils, not a polymer. As your Wikipedia source says, pencils were originally developed with graphite, not Lead/Plumbum/Pb.

Cheers

Michael:)

[ian]

Michael
I suppose I should have responded in kind along the lines of making sure the hollow pencil is wet before adding the lead, or choosing a timber with a low flamability

ian