RETIRED
28th September 1999, 07:34 PM
Gooday all.
I have started this thread so that all who wish to have their say on Symtec lathes can confine it to this thread.
For further info and background read the post "Robbos tip" posted on the 4/9/99.
ubb.ubeaut.com.au/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000042.html (http://ubb.ubeaut.com.au/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000042.html)
Then read Symtecs' reply on 28/9/99.
ubb.ubeaut.com.au/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000045.html (http://ubb.ubeaut.com.au/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000045.html)
I do not wish this to become a slanging match so please a little decorum.
The staement that started it all.
Hi Shane
Ever seen a shaving come off a Symtec lathe. I'll warrant you haven't. If you know what woodturning is all about, I rest my case.
One of the claims to fame is that they are used by blind people. This is absolutely
wonderful and I concede that there is a definate use for it in blind schools sheltered workshops etc. Great for making shapes, but not a machine for a serious woodturner, even a lazy one. The frightening thing is that Woodfast who have spent years putting down these machines are now trying to out Symtec, Symtec, with the introduction a
couple of years ago of their copying tools.
I am sure that there are dozens of Symtec owners who will tell you they have the best lathe on the market, and I'll bet there are just as many who have regretted their
purchase.
Believe me, if this lathe was as good as the claims made about it by the manufacturer, all of the lathe manufacturers would be making their lathes to work the same way.
This is just my observation. I must admit that I have observed these lathes at many
shows over the years (even had them on the stand next to us at Melb. WWW Show
last year) and I am still to see one work safer or better than a traditional lathe. I and many others have however, observed a number of pieces of timber being torn to
shreds and thrown out of the lathe at shows. Not a good trick when the favorite part of your selling spiel is it to tell how many people are mamed and killed each year by
conventional lathes.
This is just my opinion, long winded as it is.
Cheers
Neil http://ubb.ubeaut.com.au/ubb/smile.gif
Reply by Symtec.
Today 27th September1999 I was emailed some extracts from the bulletin board about the Symtec Woodlathe.
THE STATEMENTS OF WHICH WERE NOT ONLY IN ERROR, BUT TO THE POINT OF BEING DELIBERATE SLANDER.
Constructive criticism is most welcome and acknowledged, but basis untruths are neither helpful or desired by anyone. I reply to a statement put forward by a Neil Ellis on the 5th September, who if he hasn’t seen a shaving from a Symtec lathe is either blind or too stubborn to see, shavings is what the lathe gives all the time.
WE WILL HEREBY IN WRITING GUARANTEE THESE SHAVINGS AND ALSO THAT SYMTEC IS A PURE CUTTING ACTION.
We would also like those so called people who Neil 'bets' have regretted their purchases of Symtec lathes to contact us (in 16 years their has not been one that has come forward, Mr. Ellis certainly assumes a lot.).The Symtec woodlathe has no limitations, at the very worst it is still a traditional lathe to be used with chisels. So why would one regret purchasing a very high quality wood lathe which has more facilities and uses than any other wood lathe in the World??
Further it is obvious Mr. Neil Ellis is either ignorant of PATENT Laws or incredibly naive about business and manufacturing or both, otherwise he would understand why other manufacturers cannot get their lathes to work the same way as Symtec
As the only person who demonstrates these machines at the WWW shows I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THIS, again in writing that I have NEVER thrown a piece of wood out of a Symtec lathe. I do not know Mr. Ellis' reason for his
untruths.
It is also amazing how one can deliberately change the meaning of a statement by adding or taking a word. My actual statement is that "many people have been maimed and even killed by chisels being flung out of the users hand." It is not each year as stated by MR. ELLIS and it is not the favorite part of my selling spiel, IT IS JUST COLD HARD FACTS.
To you Mr. Ellis, if you wish to make a comment, please get you facts straight.
WE WILL ALWAYS STAND BY OUR HONESTY AND OUR GUARANTEES.
To Shane Watson, Please don't be pressured, if you don't wish to. YOU HAVE A TRADITIONAL LATHE AS WELL IN THE SYMTEC.????(YOU ALREADY HAVE THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS) Remembering also that we back the product and if you have any questions please feel free to call us.
To whom ever answered you, don’t know if it's or Neil Ellis or Doorstop, but they obviously have NO IDEA how to use the Symtec Woodlathe, when they talk about having to use a lot of abrasives to sand the work. We once again will GUARANTEE IN WRITING A SMOOTH FINISH STRAIGHT OF THE SYMTEC CUTTER.
And by the way Symtec is obviously far far quicker than the antiquated methods with chisels.
THIS WE WILL ALSO GUARANTEE.
Well I've said my bit HONESTLY and will GUARANTEE all the facts. There is not much more to add except ..... WE WILL TAKE THE CHALLENGE ON ANY OF THESE GUARANTEES.
I just feel sad for those people who will make decisions based on statements made by BIASED, ILINFORMED people who CANNOT and will not back any of their statements.
We recognize and admire the skills of a professional wood turner who takes years to hone their gifted skills however these are few and far between.
Many of these professionals and education facilities all over the world recognize the benefits, safety, speed and advantages of symtec and have welcomed them gladly to enhance their work. We do not expect everybody to do the same but with progress comes technology to give to the masses enjoyment and safety with equipment they may never otherwise master.
Only those with limited foresight and wishing to stay in the dark ages will always fear change.
TO ANY PERSON OUT THERE CONSIDERING LOOKING AT SYMTEC PLEASE BE YOUR OWN MASTER, DON’T BE MISLED, GET THE FACTS AND THE GUARANTEES DIRECT FROM SYMTEC. IF WE CANNOT SHOW YOU AND PROVE OUR GUARANTEES...WE WILL GIVE YOU A LATHE!!!!!!
What more can we say?
Thank you for your time.
Always at your service,
Les Geyer......Managing Director.
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Ian () Robertson
"We do good turns every day"
[This message has been edited by (edited 28 September 1999).]
I have started this thread so that all who wish to have their say on Symtec lathes can confine it to this thread.
For further info and background read the post "Robbos tip" posted on the 4/9/99.
ubb.ubeaut.com.au/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000042.html (http://ubb.ubeaut.com.au/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000042.html)
Then read Symtecs' reply on 28/9/99.
ubb.ubeaut.com.au/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000045.html (http://ubb.ubeaut.com.au/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000045.html)
I do not wish this to become a slanging match so please a little decorum.
The staement that started it all.
Hi Shane
Ever seen a shaving come off a Symtec lathe. I'll warrant you haven't. If you know what woodturning is all about, I rest my case.
One of the claims to fame is that they are used by blind people. This is absolutely
wonderful and I concede that there is a definate use for it in blind schools sheltered workshops etc. Great for making shapes, but not a machine for a serious woodturner, even a lazy one. The frightening thing is that Woodfast who have spent years putting down these machines are now trying to out Symtec, Symtec, with the introduction a
couple of years ago of their copying tools.
I am sure that there are dozens of Symtec owners who will tell you they have the best lathe on the market, and I'll bet there are just as many who have regretted their
purchase.
Believe me, if this lathe was as good as the claims made about it by the manufacturer, all of the lathe manufacturers would be making their lathes to work the same way.
This is just my observation. I must admit that I have observed these lathes at many
shows over the years (even had them on the stand next to us at Melb. WWW Show
last year) and I am still to see one work safer or better than a traditional lathe. I and many others have however, observed a number of pieces of timber being torn to
shreds and thrown out of the lathe at shows. Not a good trick when the favorite part of your selling spiel is it to tell how many people are mamed and killed each year by
conventional lathes.
This is just my opinion, long winded as it is.
Cheers
Neil http://ubb.ubeaut.com.au/ubb/smile.gif
Reply by Symtec.
Today 27th September1999 I was emailed some extracts from the bulletin board about the Symtec Woodlathe.
THE STATEMENTS OF WHICH WERE NOT ONLY IN ERROR, BUT TO THE POINT OF BEING DELIBERATE SLANDER.
Constructive criticism is most welcome and acknowledged, but basis untruths are neither helpful or desired by anyone. I reply to a statement put forward by a Neil Ellis on the 5th September, who if he hasn’t seen a shaving from a Symtec lathe is either blind or too stubborn to see, shavings is what the lathe gives all the time.
WE WILL HEREBY IN WRITING GUARANTEE THESE SHAVINGS AND ALSO THAT SYMTEC IS A PURE CUTTING ACTION.
We would also like those so called people who Neil 'bets' have regretted their purchases of Symtec lathes to contact us (in 16 years their has not been one that has come forward, Mr. Ellis certainly assumes a lot.).The Symtec woodlathe has no limitations, at the very worst it is still a traditional lathe to be used with chisels. So why would one regret purchasing a very high quality wood lathe which has more facilities and uses than any other wood lathe in the World??
Further it is obvious Mr. Neil Ellis is either ignorant of PATENT Laws or incredibly naive about business and manufacturing or both, otherwise he would understand why other manufacturers cannot get their lathes to work the same way as Symtec
As the only person who demonstrates these machines at the WWW shows I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THIS, again in writing that I have NEVER thrown a piece of wood out of a Symtec lathe. I do not know Mr. Ellis' reason for his
untruths.
It is also amazing how one can deliberately change the meaning of a statement by adding or taking a word. My actual statement is that "many people have been maimed and even killed by chisels being flung out of the users hand." It is not each year as stated by MR. ELLIS and it is not the favorite part of my selling spiel, IT IS JUST COLD HARD FACTS.
To you Mr. Ellis, if you wish to make a comment, please get you facts straight.
WE WILL ALWAYS STAND BY OUR HONESTY AND OUR GUARANTEES.
To Shane Watson, Please don't be pressured, if you don't wish to. YOU HAVE A TRADITIONAL LATHE AS WELL IN THE SYMTEC.????(YOU ALREADY HAVE THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS) Remembering also that we back the product and if you have any questions please feel free to call us.
To whom ever answered you, don’t know if it's or Neil Ellis or Doorstop, but they obviously have NO IDEA how to use the Symtec Woodlathe, when they talk about having to use a lot of abrasives to sand the work. We once again will GUARANTEE IN WRITING A SMOOTH FINISH STRAIGHT OF THE SYMTEC CUTTER.
And by the way Symtec is obviously far far quicker than the antiquated methods with chisels.
THIS WE WILL ALSO GUARANTEE.
Well I've said my bit HONESTLY and will GUARANTEE all the facts. There is not much more to add except ..... WE WILL TAKE THE CHALLENGE ON ANY OF THESE GUARANTEES.
I just feel sad for those people who will make decisions based on statements made by BIASED, ILINFORMED people who CANNOT and will not back any of their statements.
We recognize and admire the skills of a professional wood turner who takes years to hone their gifted skills however these are few and far between.
Many of these professionals and education facilities all over the world recognize the benefits, safety, speed and advantages of symtec and have welcomed them gladly to enhance their work. We do not expect everybody to do the same but with progress comes technology to give to the masses enjoyment and safety with equipment they may never otherwise master.
Only those with limited foresight and wishing to stay in the dark ages will always fear change.
TO ANY PERSON OUT THERE CONSIDERING LOOKING AT SYMTEC PLEASE BE YOUR OWN MASTER, DON’T BE MISLED, GET THE FACTS AND THE GUARANTEES DIRECT FROM SYMTEC. IF WE CANNOT SHOW YOU AND PROVE OUR GUARANTEES...WE WILL GIVE YOU A LATHE!!!!!!
What more can we say?
Thank you for your time.
Always at your service,
Les Geyer......Managing Director.
------------------
Ian () Robertson
"We do good turns every day"
[This message has been edited by (edited 28 September 1999).]