Stop the dog barking collar

[TEEJAY]

Well I have a little jack russell - her friend died a little while back and she barks and howls when home alone.

I want to get another puppy in Spring, but for now need to get this one in some order. She is becoming a terror - well more than she was. Barking digging escape artist (burrows like a wombat even eats through timber screens underground to finish the tunnel).

Does anyone have any knowledge or experience with their pets on these collars - options are a sonic model a citronella model or a vibrating model?

I was thinking sonic, but sister is thinking vibration as she needs one too for her daft poodle.

[Toolin Around]

Well I have a little jack russell - her friend died a little while back and she barks and howls when home alone.

I want to get another puppy in Spring, but for now need to get this one in some order. She is becoming a terror - well more than she was. Barking digging escape artist (burrows like a wombat even eats through timber screens underground to finish the tunnel).

Does anyone have any knowledge or experience with their pets on these collars - options are a sonic model a citronella model or a vibrating model?

I was thinking sonic, but sister is thinking vibration as she needs one too for her daft poodle.


I wanted to know what sort of jolt these things give so I held onto one and set it off. It was a hell of a whack... All I can say is I wouldn't do that to something I cared about. Especially a belt like that in the neck. They do say that it stops them "dead" barking anymore though after one and sometimes two jolts.

[Bodgy]

The common ones squirt Citronella mist and are harmless to the dog and fairly effective. The electric shock type are brilliant in their efficiency and would be my choice.

Not if my name was Rover tho.

[HappyHammer]

We used a citronella one on a Staffy we owned. Was histerical watching his reaction to being squirted (I know cruel:q ), worked quite well though.

HH.

[Brown Dog]

Hi Teejay

I guess it depends on the dog....The outlaws have a couple of boxers that they tried the citronella on...after a while the male boxer apparently got used to it and started to enjoy the citronella :doh: , though that dog is a bit of a boof head :D.


cheers
BD:2tsup:

[Phil Spencer]

Would not use any of that stuff on my dog, not even a chocker collar, would not like it if some one used on me. Your dog is most likely misbehaving because it misses its mate and is board. Try some TLC and understanding, I would most likely play up if I lost my partner

Phil

[Wongo]

I know a good way to stop a dog Barking.

Oh Never mind.

[ptc]

Is Wongo feeling hungry ?

[TEEJAY]

Guys don't think i am interested in the electric shock model - there is a sonic frequency model the citronela smell and the vibration one - none of these are the shock type - the principal for the vibration one is purely to distract the dog.

As brown dog says some silly dogs like the scent ones.

I want the dog to stop it's barking when we are away so it doesn't teach the new pup bad habits.

My dog isn't mistreated - it sleeps in the house - I like it - it bites the 2yo bub :p

[Brown Dog]

Are the electric shock ones even available in Australia ? I thought I read somewhere they are a prohibited import...I may be wrong though.

Teejay have you considered some professional training. I dont know or have experience with anti barking training, but I know the training my dog has had is a big help...maybe something to consider



Would not use any of that stuff on my dog, not even a chocker collar, would not like it if some one used on me.


G'day Phil....There's nothin wrong with a "chocker chain" (apart from the name which is misleading)...IF the dog has been trained properly. We have a lab that we had to have professionally trained as part of the conditions of purchase. She is or should I say we are (its as much about the handler as the dog) a little out of practice at the moment but, with a chocker chain I can lightly drape the lead around my shoulders and control her purely with hand signals. The chain is used purely to get the dogs attention before they run amuck with a short sharp but gentle tug that doesn't hurt. It is more the sound it makes than a physical reprimand. As TEEJAY says it works like a distraction thing not a punishment.

cheers
BD:2tsup:

[Toolin Around]

Guys don't think i am interested in the electric shock model - there is a sonic frequency model the citronela smell and the vibration one - none of these are the shock type - the principal for the vibration one is purely to distract the dog.

As brown dog says some silly dogs like the scent ones.

I want the dog to stop it's barking when we are away so it doesn't teach the new pup bad habits.

My dog isn't mistreated - it sleeps in the house - I like it - it bites the 2yo bub :p


I know it's a tough call... I don't envy your position - you just want the damn dog to shut up (I had two German Shepard's that got into all sorts of trouble). Maybe talk to some well respected dog breeders. I was lucky to get to know a couple dog breeders when I had the shepards and they were good a knowing what was the best solution on the dogs level (if that makes sense) instead of the human level.

That's why I have cats now.

[bitingmidge]

It was my kid's shock model that nearly sent Toolin' to an early grave! :oo:

Kept the kid's quiet though..

Seriously, they are a mongrel thing, but the little furball stopped the yapping in two zaps. I still cringe at the thought. When necessary, which is almost never, it still goes on but without the batteries in it, and that's the trick really, getting the association happening.

I have a friend with two beagles which live in a yard enclosed only by a wire loop and two shock-collars. Same thing, almost no time to train. If you've ever known a beagle, you'll understand that's no mean feat.

I hate the concept, but they work undoubtedly!

Cheers,

P
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[McFly]

G'day Teejay.
You have a common problem there. It sounds like your little dog is displaying some of the signs of separation anxiety. This would be consistent with the loss of a doggy mate earlier and being left alone when you are out. She is becoming anxious and upset when you leave and no longer has her mate around for company. There are a number of steps that can help this problem but barking collars are unlikely to help unfortunately.
You are better off speaking to an animal behaviour specialist than a breeder. This is a problem best sorted out by a specialist.
Good luck.
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[Barry_White]

Give Dr Harry a call he'll sort him.

[dazzler]

Ethics aside, we looked after a border collie that had been debarked. Bark sounded like a cough, didnt seem to bother the dog though.

[Geoff Dean]

G'day Phil....There's nothin wrong with a "chocker chain" (apart from the name which is misleading)...IF the dog has been trained properly. We have a lab that we had to have professionally trained as part of the conditions of purchase. She is or should I say we are (its as much about the handler as the dog) a little out of practice at the moment but, with a chocker chain I can lightly drape the lead around my shoulders and control her purely with hand signals. The chain is used purely to get the dogs attention before they run amuck with a short sharp but gentle tug that doesn't hurt. It is more the sound it makes than a physical reprimand. As TEEJAY says it works like a distraction thing not a punishment.

cheers
BD:2tsup:

Not having a crack at you BD, but I hate these things being called choker chains...they are only choker chains if fitted incorrectly.:((

Their correct name is a check chain, and when used properly, are very effective in helping to correct unwanted behaviour.:D :D :D

[robyn2839]

i have one of those electric shock ones if anyone interested ,i got it for the wife ,not a bad swap hey,but seriously they work well ,and the dogs learn quickly , and dont seem to suffer any long term affects. bob

[Daddles]

I've used a citronella collar on a collie with a chronic woofing problem. Actually, I didn't have a problem until a moron (copper believe it not) moved in behind us and proceeded to leave a german shepherd alone for days on end. The shepherd would bark and annoy my dogs and inside of three months, I went from having quiet dogs to noisy dogs. So did a couple of neighbours - quiet neighbourhood to noisy because of one irresponsible idiot. When I moved, the older collie (who'd always been the calm, sensible type) settled down again, the young one (who wasn't even aware of the terms 'calm' and 'sensible') never did ... so I got a citronella collar.

It worked in that when he woofed, it squirted him and he'd stop. Funny to watch, especially seeing him give a woof and then duck. The sod would actually practice trying to see how low he could woof without getting squirted. Sadly, it didn't teach him not to bark and I'd come home to an empty citronella canister and a funny smelling collie.

With a jack russell, I'd suggest you've got no show - once they get like that they tend to stay that way, however a mate to keep him busy might help. The collar is worth a try but don't expect miracles.

Under no circumstances would I shock a dog.

Richard

[Iain]

Under no circumstances would I shock a dog.

Richard

I shock ours on a regular basis, sneak up behind them when they are asleep and clap hands, works every time:D
A friend in the dog squad told me that when they teach the dog they give it a real bollocking and use a stick, never touch the dog though, the dog is supposed to think 'that was close, won't do that again'.
When ours decide to bark at night usually a 100db 'SHUT UP' suffices.

[Daddles]

I shock ours on a regular basis, sneak up behind them when they are asleep and clap hands, works every time:D
A friend in the dog squad told me that when they teach the dog they give it a real bollocking and use a stick, never touch the dog though, the dog is supposed to think 'that was close, won't do that again'.
When ours decide to bark at night usually a 100db 'SHUT UP' suffices.

Cat's are a better subject for that sort of thing, especially when they're awake but looking at something :D

I knew a bloke who recommended bashing the floor next to the dog with a rolled newspaper. Didn't work for me and I'm sure the dog couldn't work out what the floor had done wrong.

When I was a kid, my aunt had a corgie. She was a quiet, softly spoken lady who never swore. One day, the dog was barking and barking and barking. She'd tried her usual soft 'be quiet's and they hadn't worked. Then she asked herself, "What would David (my father) do?", grinned and stuck her head out the window and yelled "Dry up". She said later, the dog stopped instantly, looked at her in shock and hid under the tank stand for the afternoon.

My current dog, Skipper, likes to sit on the back of the sofa and stare out the front window. If he sees another dog or a cat or a car or that funny blue stuff in the sky, he growls. If you tell him off, he thinks your growling at it too ie, you are supporting him, so he keeps doing it. :doh:

Richard

[corbs]

Heard a story about people who tried the zap ones. Put it on the dog, the dog yelped, dog got zapped, dog got a suprise at being zapped and yelped, dog got zapped, dog yelped, dog got zapped, dog ran yelping/being zapped. Apparently it didnt make much noise once they finally caught the dog and got the collar off.

[Barry Hicks]

I believe the collars that deliver an electric shock are illegal in Queensland and probably in the rest of Oz so go carefully or the RSPCA will have you in court.
There are trainers around that specialise is teaching dogs (and their owners) to stop the problem. We have neighbours who got 'Bark Busters' on the Sunshine Coast on the job and it worked well for a while but they never followed up with the training so it was $200 wasted.

Barry Hicks

[Hafgan]

I believe the collars that deliver an electric shock are illegal in Queensland and probably in the rest of Oz so go carefully or the RSPCA will have you in court.There are trainers around that specialise is teaching dogs (and their owners) to stop the problem. We have neighbours who got 'Bark Busters' on the Sunshine Coast on the job and it worked well for a while but they never followed up with the training so it was $200 wasted.

Barry Hicks

I would whole-heartedly agree with Barry; if the electric shock collars are not yet illegal, they will probably be heading that way shortly. And debarking of dogs is illegal in most, if not all, states.

No matter which option you end up going for, the caveat on all of them is that you MUST train your dog as well not to bark - a.k.a. positive reinforcement; consistent, timely reward for the required behaviour (ie stopping barking). Discuss it with your own vet, ask for a referral to a behavioural specialist, and make sure you have done basic obedience training at your local dog club.

Having been through it myself with a Mastiff / Great Dane cross who barked at the wind moving the grass, I can say that it is a very hard, frustrating and time consuming battle of wills!! Especially with athe history of your dog, and a breed that has a stubborn streak anyway.

Paul

PS the growl of our old dog was a much more effective deterrent than his bark; he once bailed up the local ranger for 15 minutes because no-one was home and he came into the back yard......