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wheelinround
21st September 2007, 10:49 AM
Coonan seeks to censor the Web


http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,22451522-15306,00.html

Karen Dearne | September 20, 2007

THE Federal Police commissioner will have the power to block and ban websites believed to be crime or terrorism related under an internet censorship amendment bill introduced into Parliament today.
http://www.australianit.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5664355,00.jpgCommunications Minister Senator Helen Coonan proposes to include terrorism and cyber-crime sites on ACMA's hit list


The bombshell web ban bill was tabled in the Senate at 9:58am, without prior notice.

Communications Minister Senator Helen Coonan proposes to expand the "black list" of internet addresses (URLs) currently maintained by the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) to include terrorism and cyber-crime sites.

At present, ACMA has the power to act against websites containing pornography or offensive content.

Under the proposed amendment, Federal Police will inform ACMA of websites to be blocked, and the agency must then notify the relevant internet service providers. ISPs will be required to "take reasonable steps" to prevent users accessing the website or content.

Australian Privacy Foundation chair Roger Clarke expressed disbelief that "the government of any country in the free world could table a Bill of this kind".

"Without warning, the Government, through Senator Coonan, is proposing to provide Federal Police with powers to censor the internet," Dr Clarke said.

"Even worse, ISPs throughout the country are to be the vehicle for censorship, by being required to block internet content."

Greens Senator Kerry Nettle said the Bill would give the Police Commissioner "enormous power over what political content Australians can look at" on the web.

"This gives the Commissioner sweeping powers which could potentially be applied to millions of websites," she said. "The Government has dropped the Bill into the Senate on the eve of an election with virtually no explanation."

Senator Nettle said environmental organisations such as Greenpeace had been accused of crime or terrorism-related actions. "Will the Police Commissioner call for Greenpeace's website to be shut down?"

The requirement to filter or block content would impose another enormous burden on local ISPs at a time when the IT industry faced growing costs related to other national security legislation, she said.
Meanwhile, Senator Coonan today extended the Government's $189 million NetAlert - Protecting Australian Families Online program to agencies such as Medicare, Centrelink, Child Support and the Tax Office.

Information about internet filtering and the free content filters from NetAlert will be promoted through the agency shopfronts as part of the plan to prevent children accessing inappropriate material online.

Sturdee
21st September 2007, 12:42 PM
Communications Minister Senator Helen Coonan proposes to expand the "black list" of internet addresses (URLs) currently maintained by the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) to include terrorism and cyber-crime sites.



Whilst the timing might be questionable it is great to see the government to take steps to help the police in their efforts to fight terrorism and cyber-crimes.

Long overdue IMO as the police have been hampered in their efforts and we should all be happy with this measure.

Peter.

Gra
21st September 2007, 12:56 PM
Whilst the timing might be questionable it is great to see the government to take steps to help the police in their efforts to fight terrorism and cyber-crimes.

Long overdue IMO as the police have been hampered in their efforts and we should all be happy with this measure.

Peter.

There is taking steps to help fight terrorism and then there is passing censorship laws with holes big enough to drive a B double through, I would be careful about how they worded the laws to see what restrictions the govt has on what it can censor.....

If this was written badly (Or well depending on your point of view), it could be used against legitimate political discussion.

wheelinround
21st September 2007, 01:13 PM
I think it could mean the end of many things as one see's life and the internet, media in OZ.
We talk about freedom for Chinese and other countries but close the doors on our own.:no:

We seem to have a double standard, TV, Movies, DVD's, games all which breach any of these yet nothing is done till someone complains to departments.

Would No 96 be allowed to be aired these days it would be seen as mild soap dribble.

Political correctness gone too far.

Sturdee
21st September 2007, 03:47 PM
If this was written badly (Or well depending on your point of view), it could be used against legitimate political discussion.

True, the devil is , as always, in the detail but the stated aims of providing police more power to fight terrorism and cyber-crime is great.

I can't see that this is the end of many things as one see's life and the internet, media in OZ etc but it may mean that ISP providers, bulletin board owners, email providers etc will have to exercise more responsibilities on how they allow their facilities be used.

If they already act responsible (like Ubeaut) then it's not a problem, if they don't they will have to.

Peter.

DavidG
21st September 2007, 06:06 PM
Why is it that when the Gov decides to do something, some one else has to pay for it. :~

QbnDusty
21st September 2007, 10:01 PM
With you Sturdee. All the wimps cry about civil rights but those trying to blow us up do not know the meaning of such a thing. To lose some "Civil Rights" to protect us from them is acceptable. The fact that we live in our current democracy is protection that they will not be usurped without a political outcry.

Cruzi
21st September 2007, 10:03 PM
You can give up your civil rights for a trumped up piece of propaganda, personally I'd like to keep mine.

pawnhead
22nd September 2007, 12:40 AM
With you Sturdee. All the wimps cry about civil rights but those trying to blow us up do not know the meaning of such a thing..It's not that hard to use an overseas proxy to view any site you want in anonymity. You think terrorists don't know that?

Oops! Perhaps we should have kept that a secret lest Neil gets this site shut down for giving tips on accessing terrorist sites. You never know, that could be on the horizon if the govt. doesn't like what's being said here.

Personally I reckon that anyone who's crazy enough to blow themselves up for a 'religious' cause, hasn't made that decision purely by reading some 'terrorist' website. They've been influenced by a much wider group of people (who know about proxies), and this form of censorship will do nothing at all to stop those who wish to use these sites. The only thing it will achieve is to drive them into anonymity where their activities can't be monitored (http://www.danasoft.com/sig/marinus4.jpg).

Perhaps we should ban Muslim websites, but then that's discriminatory so we'd better ban all religious sites. Or just shut down the Internet altogether. That might stop them. :?

wheelinround
22nd September 2007, 09:45 AM
Yeh I know didn't explain myself real well I was being Paranoid not wanting Neil to get into trouble:p

Over the years we have seen the loss of page 3 girls (The Sun Newspaper online - the best for news, sport and showbiz) (http://www.thesun.co.uk/) UK paper owned by Murdoch still does them.
Thanks Germain Greer, who now lives in the UK.
Australiaisan Post had to curb its ways and finaly shut up shop :rolleyes: gee I miss that.

What we say in daily lives, what we transpose onto the internet has to be politically correct.

Yet millions are made by media barrons who sell their rags, and media of all sorts doing what we are told we can't. Trouble is we are all stupid enough to buy it.:doh: