Stuart MacGill

[Rossluck]

What are we going to do with MacGill. Did you see the stuff he was bowling on Monday evening? I played cricket, and I was infamous for bowling some absolute shockers (I once hit the square leg umpire :-), but what he dished up makes me proud of my bowling memories. For a spinner to bowl three no-balls in a row is shocking. I know he's a good spinner when he's on song, but that exhibition was just terrible.

[bitingmidge]

I'm a supporter of Magilla, or was till I saw him at the Gabba.

He looked like the fat boy in the class. Rolling around after the ball in the outfield. I swear on one occasion Symonds was fielding in the outfield on the other side of the paddock and still beat him to the ball.

Now I'm not one to criticise fielding ineptitude, goodness I'm the world champion, but he looked like a local who'd one the chook raffle and got to field for an over or two as his prize.

He's got his 200 wickets (at the fourth best rate on record as I recall) so get him off and give Hoggie a go till he's fit.

Cheers,

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[Rossluck]

I was there on the Saturday, Midge. Were you one of the people yelling "you are a W.....R" at the cops when they collected the beach balls? I'll bet you were. :wink:

I like MacGill, and I think that when he's at his best on a turning pitch he's ten percent better than Warne was. But that was pathetic on Monday. On ABC radio a commentator suggested that Hogg had better start warming up ....

[Jim Carroll]

Maybe he was just trying to give the other guys a leg up to make a game of it.:D

[Andy Mac]

I listen avidly to the cricket, but not a real cricketer myself so I shouldn't pass judgement (I'm just a competitive bustard who loves throwing balls:p) but...I reckon MacGill is a tad fragile mentally. Don't know about his match fitness, but when he's off-song he goes to pieces and can't follow up with the goods. The previous bad ball plays on his mind too much, IMHO. Some other bowlers seem to use them as fuel to better balls. Maybe Hogg is an option now.

Cheers,

[garfield]

He's USELESS!!!! always has been and always will be! He wouldn't hold up Shane warnes's socks. He throws more full tossers and half trackers that my under 10's team

I reckon I could score a test match ton off of he's bowling! They shouldn't call him "magilla" they should call him "Half track Stu" or "Full TOSSER" or maybe even "Ball murderer" Usually they say, there's nothing like the sound of leather on willow.... when "Half track Stu" is bowling, it's more like there's nothing like the sound of leather on willow followed closely by tin as the ball slams against the boundry fence!

[bitingmidge]

He's USELESS!!!! always has been and always will be! He wouldn't hold up Shane warnes's socks.

Well he's got a bit lucky then.

Have a look at the stats. He's 2 short of Warne's average, with a better strike rate, and from memory got 200 wickets in fewer tests than all but four players of all time.

I wouldn't mind being that useless!

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[Pusser]

He is under a bit of pressure at the moment on finess - Ponting and Waugh have both made public statements. He has a fantastic record but cannot afford to let it slip now.

[Dean]

I'd rather have him as my kid's idol than a certain Shane "Worn" :p

[Ashore]

ain't it a shane there's no better bowler available

[bitingmidge]

H- Ponting and Waugh have both made public statements.

Waugh! HUH! What is he good for?

He's not a selector is he?

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[garfield]

Well he's got a bit lucky then.

Have a look at the stats. He's 2 short of Warne's average, with a better strike rate, and from memory got 200 wickets in fewer tests than all but four players of all time.

I wouldn't mind being that useless!

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at the end of the day, stats mean nothing! who is the better bowler - Shane Warne or "Half tracker Stu" ??? who would you rather bowling for your life? I'll bet it wouldn't be "ball murderer"!

[Pusser]

Even MacGill is bagging himself today "considering his future". Sad way to go out for someone who has achieved a lot while being in the shadow of a freakish bowler. He has conducted himself pretty well unlike his rival.

[Dean]

at the end of the day, stats mean nothing! who is the better bowler - Shane Warne or "Half tracker Stu" ??? who would you rather bowling for your life? I'll bet it wouldn't be "ball murderer"!

hehe true, but if it was life or death, i'd trust macgill. Worny would probably be too busy text messaging! :p

[bitingmidge]

at the end of the day, stats mean nothing!

You know, you are so right!

It's the over-reliance on stats that kept me out of the team for all those years.
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

I would have thought that there's no point having a gelled haired show-pony in the trenches with you if he can't shoot straight, but I'm funny like that.

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[silentC]

You're right, stats mean nothing to someone who looks at 15 minutes of one game and judges a whole career. :wink:

[silentC]

Here's another bloke who reckon stats mean nothing:

MUTTIAH Muralitharan has advised Australian selectors to sack injured leg spinner Stuart MacGill and select a young slow bowler in his place.

Muralitharan, who will almost certainly usurp Shane Warne as Test cricket's all-time leading wicket-taker by the end of the year, said the spin bowling position was the only obvious weakness in the Australian side and described MacGill as "not the bowler he used to be".

Statistically, Muralitharan had a worse series than MacGill, returning combined figures of 4-400 from the two Tests, as opposed to the Australian's 5-326. Neither was assisted by the pitch conditions in Brisbane nor Hobart, and both were pitted against batting line-ups adept at playing spin.

[Bodgy]

You've got to have a bit of empathy with McGill. For years he has probably been Oz's best Test spin bowler after Warne, yet he only gets to play when Warnes out or they put 2 spinners into the SCG.

Nevertheles, I can't really help but think he's past it. Obviously unfit and underdone, then exascerbating his injuries in Hobart. I thought he was OK in Brisbane but Hobart was nothing short of embarassing. Can't see any excuse for what must have been 12+ full bungers, most went for 4. Add the fact that he can't bat nor field, we can't support a specialist when he's not performing.

These guys are on $150k pa plus endorsements, match fees etc.In McGills case probably circa $500k. Non performance = dropped. He needs to go back to domestic stuff until (if) he gets it together.

The scary thing is we don't have a replacement. Hogg at a pinch, but he's more of a one day guy - and pretty old. Maybe its time for Cullen?

[Buzzer]

MacGills averages may be better than Warne's, but he gets to play on "spinner friendly " wickets, while Warney played on all wickets.

Let's give him a chance to get fully fit and select him if his form warants it.

[bitingmidge]

MacGills averages may be better than Warne's, but he gets to play on "spinner friendly " wickets,

Oh! How silly of me!

Of course!

Like Brisbane and Hobart! :rolleyes:

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[Rookie]

At least he's not chucking it!!

Seem to remember times when Warney's fitness and weight were under question too, until he found a spot in the slips. It was always following one or two ordinary performances, like they're doing to MacGill now. You can't drop a guy for one bad performance....unless he's an AFL umpire of course.

[Studley 2436]

McGill outbowled Warne everytime they bowled in the same match. So forget the stuff about him only being in on on spin friendly tracks. As for him being too affected by the previous ball McGill is the guy who is happy to be hit over the fence and the field as he sets a guy up for a fall. Warne on the other hand prefered to tie a batsman down and get him that way. McGill likewise has had few chances but has always managed to get himself up and do well when he got a chance without any any hard done by feelings. He is a top bowler and I wouldn't be dropping him. He has got wickets after all and has not had the fortune to bowl on a 5th day wicket in the past series. McGill also has been able to succeed in India which Warne could not. Stick with him for now has been injured and will do better in Melbourne.

Studley

[bitingmidge]

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He's got his 200 wickets (at the fourth best rate on record as I recall) so get him off and give Hoggie a go till he's fit.

Just to recap!

Besides, apparently he had a nerve problem in his arm as well in Hobart which meant he couldn't feel anything. That might have made it a bit harder!

Glad to see someone else has actually read Warne's stats in context!

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[Geoff Dean]

Never liked him, never liked his attitude.

The sooner he's gone the better


Bring in a Victorian..bring back big Merv..I love him...I wanna boof him.:D:D

[silentC]

Never liked him, never liked his attitude.
Nobody said you had to like him!

Fortunately, Merv and his mates don't pick their sides the way we used to pick sides at school :)

[Geoff Dean]

But he's a Victorian, we love him.

Silent, don't you go turning into Tony Greig.:D

[silentC]

Damn, I just had a bowl of Nutrigrain for breakfast...

[bitingmidge]

Damn, I just had a bowl of Nutrigrain for breakfast...

How very 90's!

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[Cliff Rogers]

"Always bowl straight"

[Geoff Dean]

Damn, I just had a bowl of Nutrigrain for breakfast...

Stays crunchy, tastes great?:?

[Bodgy]

In Merv's day they had a cup of coffee and a fag for breakfast.

[bitingmidge]

In Merv's day they had a cup of coffee and a fag for breakfast.
True, but now you can't vilify anyone on grounds of race, religion or sexual orientation, so now they just have coffee.

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[DvdHntr]

The big question is will the selectors pick him for the Boxing Day test? He doesn't want to have the surgery because once you miss a match in that team you may never return.