Ricky should walk

[garfield]

Ricky Ponting should resign as Australian captain. He has created the worst behaved and unsportsman like Team since the game began being played in this country at International level. As far as I'm concerned he wouldn't even tie Mark Taylor's shoe laces as a captain and is half the catalyst for this whole fracas, the other half being the so called "umpires". The un-sportsman like behavior in this test by the Australian players Is not short of shameful and disgraceful. The win at all cost Australian players at the moment with none what so ever walking after hitting one and the appealing by the men around the bat when the opposition is batting, is as close to cheating as you get!

Michael Clarke should never Captain this country in any form of the game after the disgraceful and disrespectful way he tried to stand his ground after flogging one to first slip. I couldn't believe what I was seeing!!!! That is the worst attempted form of cheating I have witnessed in any sport let alone the game of cricket, and I believe he should be cited and suspended for the rest of the series for (what I consider) bringing the game to disrepute. Had he not been given out I could not blame the Indians for wanting the real thing to burn, not just effigies. Throw on top of this his dubious catch - with an expletive and I think this could well follow this bloke for the rest of his career, he should hang his head in shame.

Even a man I used to hold in high regard and respect has lost me at the moment, and that is Adam Gilchrist. He knew that Sourav Ganguly wasn't out and yet he screamed his lungs out to get a wicket at all cost! He claims to have heard what Harbhajan is alleged to have said to Symonds, yet while watching it on replay he's only near Symonds and Harbijan in the presence of the umpires, and after that he's nowhere within cooee of them.... the umpires say they heard nothing said between the players and yet Gilchrist did, that seem sus to me.. that's just my opinion.

I make note that the umpires only added to the heat between the players with the shocking decisions, but they shouldn't always be put in the position of trusting someone to have not edged the ball and give them the benefit of the doubt.

I'm probably not gonna find a lot of support for this thread and I understand some will look at it through green and gold coated glasses, but to me that's not the Aussie way. I'd like it to be stated that I'm an Aussie through and through, I'm not an Indian nor any other ethnicity that is looking for a chance to bash an Aussie national team I'm just disgusted In our team representing us on the cricket field at the moment. It's just my opinion and I feel very strongly about it and I just want it known.

If I were an Australian player right now, I'd be feeling that 16th win was hollow, and If I was Ricky Ponting I'd be feeling ashamed!!!!!

[Rossluck]

With all due respect, garfield, I think that you're completely wrong. I think that the Indian team is very upset that they lost the series and that they are pushing their increasing power as the richest and most populated cricket nation in the world. They already hace their way with Bucknor, and now they are seeking to have Harbhajan Singh's suspension cancelled.

My understanding is that the members of the Australian Cricket Team are quietly furious over the way Symonds was treated by sections of the crowd in India. I believe Symonds when he accused Harbhajan Singh of perpetuating the racist taunts initiated in India. This racism has to be jumped on; you must be aware that Harbhajan has an horrific reputation for his aggressive behaviour, and not just with the Aussie team.

There's a bit of the tall poppy syndrome happening here; I don't think that the Aussie team is behaving much differently from the way it has for years. I for one hate to see the way people turn against them so quickly. I mean I can understand the traditional enemies of the team (Tony Greig, Peter Roebuck etc) using the occasion to bring them down a peg or two, but not Aussies. We should be proud of this record breaking team.

Listen to Richie Benauld, he tends to get it right.

[garfield]

What is your opinion on what Michael Clarke did after flogging the ball to slip and then step back to hopefully get the not out verdict off the umpire? Mate I'm Aussie through and through, but I don't support the Australian cricket team at the moment. Be honest here, if we were playing like that in the street we'd end up calling each other all sorts of things and then more than likely punch on because of the blatant cheating. I don't support that attitude and I would be disappointed if it were my son with that attitude even as a kid who plays under 10's.

The crowd was disgraceful in India no doubt, but that's the crowd. I'm on about our teams behavior and their unsportsmanlike attitude. India have every right to be fuming about their treatment from the umpires and the Australian team during the second test, if it were our boys coping it and being treated like that I'd go into bat for them too don't worry..... BUT it ain't, and I feel disgusted in the way they have played what is meant to be a gentleman's game and the disgust they have brought to the baggy green!

My bottom line is - the last 5-6 summers of cricket in this country has had some shocking umpires decisions and 90% of them have gone the way of the Australians. The experts, the punters, everyone wants someone to take it to Australia in test cricket - but how can they when we quite clearly cheat and have incompetent umpires against the touring side.

Mate I respect your opinion, But I don't share it.

[DavidG]

I don't bother with cricket but the au team was paid to win and they did.
Good job done. :2tsup:

Who said this was sport any more.
You have sponsors to support and that is what matters now.
Stuff the public and the "Game".

[Geoff Dean]

What is your opinion on what Michael Clarke did after flogging the ball to slip and then step back to hopefully get the not out verdict off the umpire?

Respectfully Garfield::D

Michael Clarke did nothing wrong, he waited for the umpires decision and then went - no problem from me here.



My bottom line is - the last 5-6 summers of cricket in this country has had some shocking umpires decisions and 90% of them have gone the way of the Australians. The experts, the punters, everyone wants someone to take it to Australia in test cricket - but how can they when we quite clearly cheat and have incompetent umpires against the touring side.

The Australian team do not choose the umpires the ICC do - if the decisions seem to go Australia"s way, that is not the fault of Australia.

What have they done to cheat? Not walking? Appealing to often? So does almost every player from every other country, so they must all be "cheats" as well. At least the Australians walk when given out, not like some of the Indians who have been staying and venting disapproval at the umpire while still at the crease..

Mate, I think you need to take off the rose colored glasses and see the cricket for what it is, a business that has a huge monetary turnover, it is no longer Sport.

If the most respected man in world cricket, Richie Benaud, has no problem with what the Aussies are doing, then I don't think there are too many things to worry about.:U

[schaf]

Best test I have seen since the tied test in Brisbane against the west Indies.
It is a poor state if players are not allowed to celebrate with gusto after such a close hard fought win.
True,the umpiring was poor,but the players must abide by the umpires decision and should never walk until the finger goes up.

terry

[Ashore]

What is your opinion on what Michael Clarke did after flogging the ball to slip and then step back to hopefully get the not out verdict off the umpire? .
No better no worse than anyone else playing at the moment how many players have you seen walk in the last 12 months to the number who knew they were out 100%

The crowd was disgraceful in India no doubt, but that's the crowd. .
They were but they wern't as bad as the Aussie crowd when Hadley was playing with the constant " Hadleys a wanker" :o

I'm on about our teams behavior and their unsportsmanlike attitude. India have every right to be fuming about their treatment from the umpires .
Not half as bad as Indian and Pakie Umpires were before international umpires were used.:~

and I feel disgusted in the way they have played what is meant to be a gentleman's game and the disgust they have brought to the baggy green! .
As bad as having an underarm problem? Garfield it stopped being a gentlemans game when it became professional , once money gets involved then being a jolly good chap is out the door , though it was well on its way with bodyline.:B


The experts, the punters, everyone wants someone to take it to Australia in test cricket - but how can they when we quite clearly cheat and have incompetent umpires against the touring side..
Like the doctored wickets in England and the sub contenient and I wouldn't say 90% of the bad decisions went Australias way in South Africa:no:
Mate the most unsportsman like team since the game began in this country would have to be Jardines Bodyline side surely :wink:

[Pusser]

Mate the most unsportsman like team since the game began in this country would have to be Jardines Bodyline side surely


Why? They played within the rules of the game as they stood. They certainly played to win but it was only a change of rules that stopped subsequent sides with similar armouries doing the same thing. A bit like the underarm incident really.

[Rossluck]

Andrew Symonds was absolutely blasted by the cowds in India, who used the well known racial taunt of imitating a monkey whenever he was fielding near them, or bowling or batting. Instead of trying to stop this behaviour, Harbhajan Singh played to the crowd over there by aggressively focussing on Symonds during a few matches. In Australia he carried this racism over by calling Symonds a "big monkey" on the field. In my view of the world, distorted as it may be, Harbhajan needs to be pulled aside and reeducated in the expectations of the cricket world with regard to racism. Andrew Symonds is a fantastic cricketer, a good person, and perhaps more importantly, a Queenslander.:wink: He doesn't deserve racial taunts.

So far as "walking" is concerned, that is an international problem brought on by advances in technology (I wonder how many times Bradman didn't walk?). If changes are to occur, then it has to be across the board; I can't imagine, garfield, why you consider it an Australian disease.

Bucknor had a shocking game, and as nice a person as he is I think that he's reached the stage where the game is a bit beyond him. There have been calls for his retirement since the World Cup. But he's been such a good servant that they have him a little more rope .... Once again, I have trouble seeing how this is the fault of the Australian team.

You need to keep one thing in mind: the cricket world is undergoing a huge change. The power of world cricket is shifting towards the sub-continent. India is subtly threatening to take charge because of it's enormous cricketing resources. If you don't believe me, look at the way the ICC buckled to India's demands by sacking Bucknor and suspending Harbhajan Singh's suspension. Have you ever seen that before?

[Big Shed]

Have just read this article in The Australian (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23025954-601,00.html), I think it puts this matter in perspective.

Certainly a bit more balanced than Peter Roebuck's (http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2008/01/07/1199554570948.html) article yesterday.

[MurrayD99]

We obviously are not a cricketing Nation.... however I'd note that it would be practically impossible (unacceptable) for a player to walk these days unless either the stumps have gone flying at least 10 yards or a fielder has clearly got the ball in a clean catch. This increases the burden on the umpires.

[Geoff Dean]

A very well written article:

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=343765

[garfield]

Didn't think anyone would see anything wrong with the behavior of the Australian players.... But I'm sure that the majority of people - be it Australian or from any other ethnic back ground that watched it would find it disgraceful as well!

Bring back Tubby Taylor! a real leader of men and a great ambassador to this country and the game of cricket!!!!!!!

[Poppa]

There is a clip on youtube (not sure if links to there are OK so I won't post it) of Harbhajan being clean bowled by Pietersen in a one dayer and not walking. He hung around for minutes. Not only that, but you can clearly hear him tell Peitersen to f-off. A gentleman cricketer indeed....

[maccaschoice]

well at least the cricketers use wood in their bats to keep the "Woodwork Forum" on track and Ricky has a wooden head - no doubt the worst captain in my lifetime - great at winning but a sour and unsportspersonlike character when things do not go his way - what a pity they did not make Gillie captain - just watch him closely - he is pretty reserved in some of the doubtful appeals and stopped himself in one appeal in the Indian second innings - so don't mention the war and don't mention monkey

[garfield]

well at least the cricketers use wood in their bats to keep the "Woodwork Forum" on track and Ricky has a wooden head - no doubt the worst captain in my lifetime - great at winning but a sour and unsportspersonlike character when things do not go his way - what a pity they did not make Gillie captain - just watch him closely - he is pretty reserved in some of the doubtful appeals and stopped himself in one appeal in the Indian second innings - so don't mention the war and don't mention monkey


So you're half with me then Maccaschoice?

[garfield]

There is a clip on youtube (not sure if links to there are OK so I won't post it) of Harbhajan being clean bowled by Pietersen in a one dayer and not walking. He hung around for minutes. Not only that, but you can clearly hear him tell Peitersen to f-off. A gentleman cricketer indeed....

I've watched it Poppa, and if I were him I wouldn't have walked either! to me at first glimpse it looked as if the wickie hit the bails with his gloves not the ball.

A bit different to whacking one to first slip and then go back into your crease and hope the umpire See's in your favour:o

[LGS]

Have another look. The side view clearly shows the keeper did not touch the stumps and there is no need for obscene language...is there? At least with a catch in slips, there is some doubt, but clean bowled??

[maccaschoice]

So you're half with me then Maccaschoice?

more than half with you - if Gillie had been captain for this period of success Australian cricket wood have taken a quite different direction in standards of behavior on and off field

[garfield]

Have another look. The side view clearly shows the keeper did not touch the stumps and there is no need for obscene language...is there? At least with a catch in slips, there is some doubt, but clean bowled??

You and I can quite clearly see that he is bowled with the aid of a slowed down action replay, but when it all happened in live action - it looked a little different. As far as the swearing goes, the way Peaterson carried on, I'd give him a few choice words too!

Yeah I agree with you there..... its very possible that Michael Clarke didn't knick that...... there must be some doubt about that one :roll:

[ptygmit]

I wonder how much racism India et al have had to put up with from the "white" teams over the years? Im sure that the English, SA, NZ, aussie teams aren't all innocent when it comes down to it. Slating on the pitch has always happened, and i am with the South African commentator (cant remember his name - brains gone blank!! :) )... what happened to the old Australian saying of "What's said on the pitch, stays on the pitch"?


The walk or not walk debate has been going on for ages. I personally think a player SHOULD walk without question, but i know the sponsors etc would think otherwise. Sport is a very different business to when it cost a half penny to watch a game of cricket.

[Poppa]

I've watched it Poppa, and if I were him I wouldn't have walked either! to me at first glimpse it looked as if the wickie hit the bails with his gloves not the ball.

A bit different to whacking one to first slip and then go back into your crease and hope the umpire See's in your favour:o

Fair enough. I've always said it is up to each individual to choose whether they should walk or not. Of course, choosing not to walk when you've been clean bowled is a little unusual, but you obviously think it should be mandatory to walk when you've been caught behind and not when you've been bowled. Unusual...:wink:

I also think that Clarke looked like a complete goose when he didn't walk. But then again, I've always walked...

[ss_11000]

i just watched that harbhajan vid on utube.

how can he claim he thought the keepr hit the stumps when he isnt looking at the ball once its gone flying past him??? mind you, in backyard cricket vs my brother, i dont take it out very often cos he's a lying cheating idiot when he's batting. so it all evens itself out in the end

[garfield]

I watched the Clarke dismissal the next day on you tube as I was driving back from holidays and never saw it when it happened. If you go to you tube and have a sticky you'll see that there's a fair few choice words left there for his antics. I thought it was up there as one of the most disgusting and unsportsmanlike things I've seen on the cricket field AT ANY LEVEL!!!

[ss_11000]

i'll go and look up clarks now. brb

garfield. can you post a link please. i cant find it.

[garfield]

Here you go :U I actually just had a look and it seems that some of the comments may have been taken off. Anyhow have a look at what this idiot does, the most blatant act of attempted cheating I've seen. and with the way the tensions were between Aus and India not something that should have happened in the context of the game i though..... especially by the heir apparent. What a joke that will be if this idiot leads this country in the much respected role of captain.

Anyhow that's my opinion.

YouTube - Michael Clarke being stubborn / No luck from the Umpire

[ss_11000]

geez clarky....the gloves part of the bat.

[garfield]

geez clarky....the gloves part of the bat.


The worst thig is - did you see Kumble's face? He is after that!! gotta say I don't blame him though.

[garfield]

Well at least they were better sportsman in Perth http://www.sketchucation.com/forums/scf/images/smilies/dd.gif (http://www.sketchucation.com/forums/scf/posting.php?mode=reply&f=79&t=4852#)

[Geoff Dean]

Anyhow have a look at what this idiot does, the most blatant act of attempted cheating I've seen.

How can you say that is cheating, he waited for the umpire to give him out and he went. He didn't stay and continue to bat, he didn't gain an advantage for his team by breaking any rule, he didn't claim a catch that wasn't, he didn't do anything but wait for the umpire to tell him he was out.

Stupid probably, but cheating, come on, you need to get a grip I think.

[bitingmidge]

Well at least they were better sportsman in Perth http://www.sketchucation.com/forums/scf/images/smilies/dd.gif (http://www.sketchucation.com/forums/scf/posting.php?mode=reply&f=79&t=4852#)

I didn't see any of those Indian blokes, fine sportsmen that they are apparently, walk up and shake the Aussies hands before whooping and hollering about their win.

Where's the criticism? Why are there two standards?

P
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[patty]

Ricky walk what a load of garbage these Indians whinge and sook more than an old mole at a christening people go on about its a gentlemans game and stuff so be it but you play to win the Indians have got the hide to question the credibility and sportsmanship of the Aussie players when they should start in their own backyard look at the amoint of infringements for codes of coduct the Indians have accrued and you look at the Aussies the Aussies are like Church altar boys compared I'm not saying they are perfect but th Indians have started something here with their accusations they cannot finish by claiming the Aussies are not playing in the spirit of the game...

OK I agree some umpiring decisions did go against India and they were bad calls from the umpire it was not the Aussie team that made these calls but to turn around and blow it all out of proportion is nonsense I am sure it would not have escalated out of control if Ponting kept quiet about the alleged racial slur about Symonds what is he suppose to do keep quiet and say nothing? kumble decided to have a dummy spit and threaten to take his bat and ball and go home because it all became to hard the sooner the Aussies whip these whingeing Indians again the better!!!!!

[garfield]

How can you say that is cheating, he waited for the umpire to give him out and he went. He didn't stay and continue to bat, he didn't gain an advantage for his team by breaking any rule, he didn't claim a catch that wasn't, he didn't do anything but wait for the umpire to tell him he was out.

Stupid probably, but cheating, come on, you need to get a grip I think.

He is cheating! He is saying (by standing there) that he didn't hit it isn't he..?? He clearly hit it - therefore he is cheating!

And I believe he did claim a catch that he clearly didn't catch!!!!

I've got a grip mate don't worry about that. You're part of the minority who thinks Australia play fair and play gentleman like, but I'm part of the majority who know that just isn't the case.

[garfield]

Ricky walk what a load of garbage these Indians whinge and sook more than an old mole at a christening people go on about its a gentlemans game and stuff so be it but you play to win the Indians have got the hide to question the credibility and sportsmanship of the Aussie players when they should start in their own backyard look at the amoint of infringements for codes of coduct the Indians have accrued and you look at the Aussies the Aussies are like Church altar boys compared I'm not saying they are perfect but th Indians have started something here with their accusations they cannot finish by claiming the Aussies are not playing in the spirit of the game...

OK I agree some umpiring decisions did go against India and they were bad calls from the umpire it was not the Aussie team that made these calls but to turn around and blow it all out of proportion is nonsense I am sure it would not have escalated out of control if Ponting kept quiet about the alleged racial slur about Symonds what is he suppose to do keep quiet and say nothing? kumble decided to have a dummy spit and threaten to take his bat and ball and go home because it all became to hard the sooner the Aussies whip these whingeing Indians again the better!!!!!


It's more than that and you know it. It's Andrew Symonds mouthing off then getting some back and then "alleging" (remember it's alleged) that he was called a monkey. I'd like to know the worst thing his ever been "allegedly" been called before. I'd love to know what he was saying at the time! Mate I'm Aussie through and through, but I can't cop the Australian team at the moment. Their great at what they do but they do it in a manner that makes 80% of Australia cringe! Ricky ponting should never have been named captain! He has created the bad attitude of this team and he could have done things differently with how his handled this whole affair.

As for Kumble it's hardly his decision to make about going home. It was the board and I don't really blame them for standing up for their players. You put up with this - get every dodgy decision possible when you're bowling "Twice", back that up with getting every possible bad decision when your bowling "Twice", Then have a player suspended not on hard evidence but just the word of other players! the same players that say they didn't hit the ball the same players who claim they took a catch that they didn't!! tell me you wouldn't do that for say for instance your son?
I'm glad they didn't go coz now they are spanking the Aussie cricket team!! Had they not been robbed in Sydney they'd be smashing us!

Just my opinion.

[Geoff Dean]

And I believe he did claim a catch that he clearly didn't catch!!!!

I reckon you would be the only person who is saying he clearly didn't catch it. At best everyone else is saying it was inconclusive.


I've got a grip mate don't worry about that..

Yeah, wont argue there, you certainly have a grip on it.


You're part of the minority who thinks Australia play fair and play gentleman like, but I'm part of the majority who know that just isn't the case.

Reckon you got the minority and majority back to front there, I am yet to speak to anyone who has your opinion.

[garfield]

I reckon you would be the only person who is saying he clearly didn't catch it. At best everyone else is saying it was inconclusive.quote]

I'll accept that. that backs my argument.



[quote=Yeah, wont argue there, you certainly have a grip on it.quote]

clever :no:



[quote=Reckon you got the minority and majority back to front there, I am yet to speak to anyone who has your opinion.

I'll take your word for it :q


Are you a juoranlist? That's some mighty fine editing there. See with the "grip on it comment" that boarders on nasty!

I won't hold it against you because your Victorian and you have my sympathy :no: If you were a NSW-elshman - or a Queenslander (I'm sure you wish you were) I could understand you defending the team, but is there even one Victorian in the side? you do know that Shane warne retired?

[Shedhand]

Garfield you Goose. :~Its a game at which we're very good and we play to win. They get paid a motza to entertain us. Are you saying the the majority of motor sport fans watch the cars going round in circles to see a driver win without any drama. Nope, the crowds go to see prangs and mayhem. Boxing we watch to see 2 dunderheads beat the crapola out of each other. Get a grip brother. Its sport not church. :rolleyes:
The trouble with this country and its nanny mentality is that we're breading a generation of softc**ks.:no: Ponting is a tough and uncompromising skipper doing an excellent job on and off the field. As AB said, no past captain of Australian cricket has it as tough as Ricky Ponting.
Cheers

Ricky Ponting should resign as Australian captain. He has created the worst behaved and unsportsman like Team since the game began being played in this country at International level. As far as I'm concerned he wouldn't even tie Mark Taylor's shoe laces as a captain and is half the catalyst for this whole fracas, the other half being the so called "umpires". The un-sportsman like behavior in this test by the Australian players Is not short of shameful and disgraceful. The win at all cost Australian players at the moment with none what so ever walking after hitting one and the appealing by the men around the bat when the opposition is batting, is as close to cheating as you get!

Michael Clarke should never Captain this country in any form of the game after the disgraceful and disrespectful way he tried to stand his ground after flogging one to first slip. I couldn't believe what I was seeing!!!! That is the worst attempted form of cheating I have witnessed in any sport let alone the game of cricket, and I believe he should be cited and suspended for the rest of the series for (what I consider) bringing the game to disrepute. Had he not been given out I could not blame the Indians for wanting the real thing to burn, not just effigies. Throw on top of this his dubious catch - with an expletive and I think this could well follow this bloke for the rest of his career, he should hang his head in shame.

Even a man I used to hold in high regard and respect has lost me at the moment, and that is Adam Gilchrist. He knew that Sourav Ganguly wasn't out and yet he screamed his lungs out to get a wicket at all cost! He claims to have heard what Harbhajan is alleged to have said to Symonds, yet while watching it on replay he's only near Symonds and Harbijan in the presence of the umpires, and after that he's nowhere within cooee of them.... the umpires say they heard nothing said between the players and yet Gilchrist did, that seem sus to me.. that's just my opinion.

I make note that the umpires only added to the heat between the players with the shocking decisions, but they shouldn't always be put in the position of trusting someone to have not edged the ball and give them the benefit of the doubt.

I'm probably not gonna find a lot of support for this thread and I understand some will look at it through green and gold coated glasses, but to me that's not the Aussie way. I'd like it to be stated that I'm an Aussie through and through, I'm not an Indian nor any other ethnicity that is looking for a chance to bash an Aussie national team I'm just disgusted In our team representing us on the cricket field at the moment. It's just my opinion and I feel very strongly about it and I just want it known.

If I were an Australian player right now, I'd be feeling that 16th win was hollow, and If I was Ricky Ponting I'd be feeling ashamed!!!!!

[LGS]

..but he gets to the other end faster if he runs!!

[Shedhand]

..but he gets to the other end faster if he runs!!
hehehe :doh:
very droll!

[Poppa]

Now that Harbie has slapped a fellow Indian cricketer after an IPL match, does anyone still think that he wasn't at fault in Australia? This is the man that has been 'disciplined' (or let off!) lots of times in recent years, and is a repeat offender. Anyone still going to blame Symonds or Ponting for the troubles in Australia???

Apparently after his team won a 20/20 match, Sreesanth walked up to Harbhajan (who was on the losing side) and, with a smile on his face, said "Bad luck". This was enough for Harbhajan to slap Sreesanth across the face. He now faces a 5 test match ban (or at worst a life ban), but insists that it was nothing and that it is a matter between him and Sreesanth. This guy is a blight on the game, pure and simple. Get rid of him.

I wonder who the Indian cricket board is going to blame for this one...