My bad - English?

[Big Shed]

The expression "my bad" seems to be increasingly used these days, including here on the forum.

Call me an old phart/fuddy duddy, but I think it is a particularly bad way to butcher the English language.

I went to the trouble of Googling (now there is a new verb!) and found this explanation (http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/my-bad.html) as to its' origins.

Do you find this as annoying as I do, or do you think it is good English (it can't be, it is an Americanism:(()

BTW My grandson uses it all the time and when I pick him up on it he calls me an old phart:wink:

Have told his mother (my daughter) that she is wasting $10k a year on school fees!:D

[Pat]

Have to agree with you, although Shakespeare used it in Sonnet 112. Still it is annoying.

[abitfishy]

Big Shed, you aren't an old phart at all, I'm 32 and I think 'my bad' is a disgrace. About time our education system and teenagers got a kick in the pants. Scary these people will be running our country one day. :((

[Barry_White]

Looks like I'll have to get a life because I am afraid I have never heard the expression but I don't like it anyway.

The one word that really annoys me is the expression "Absolutely" that people say to confirm something.

[Barry_White]

Have to agree with you, although Shakespeare used it in Sonnet 112. Still it is annoying.

What did Shakespeare know about good old Australian English anyway. Now there is an Old Phart if ever there was one.

[dazzler]

And where did we get

cobber

sheila

strewth

All just popular language, some stays, some goes.

[Gra]

Guys, you are going to have to learn to live with it. English is a dynamic and growing language. It changes over the years sometime quite dramatically. Live with it or it will die

[les88]

how about BUT I will meet you but....so what does but mean
les

[jow104]

The expression "my bad" seems to be increasingly used these days, inclusing here on the forum.

Call me an old phart/fuddy duddy, but I think it is a particularly bad way to butcher the English language.

I went to the trouble of Googling (now there is a new verb!) and found this explanation (http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/my-bad.html) as to its' origins.

Do you find this as annoying as I do, or do you think it is good English (it can't be, it is an Americanism:(()

BTW My grandson uses it all the time and when I pick him up on it he calls me an old phart:wink:

Have told his mother (my daughter) that she is wasting $10k a year on school fees!:D

Big shed, its the word inclusing that sends me:D

[wayfarer]

People insist in progressing the English language but. Which, going forward, means we'll all get used to it, eventually, like.

/me runs :)

[Big Shed]

Big shed, its the word inclusing that sends me:D

Sorry jow104, "my bad":D

[Ivan in Oz]

DO wish youse would get off of 'my' SOAPBOX.

TXT MSGNG on here is the one which gets my eyre.:oo::((


Oh!!
I was going to type Ewes and not youse

They both Peeve me something badly;
and it is not an AGE thing.

One on the BMW forum gives anyone a serve about it,
he's 23

[Cliff Rogers]

I don't like it either, I prefer to say "oops, my :censored2: up." :D

[Master Splinter]

I first heard "My bad" (several times) on Buffy the Vampire Slayer and rather liked it. The fact that it was being said by Sarah Michelle Geller may have had something to do with that.

I use it occasionally, especially when I do something really dumb.

Language butchery-wise, its nowhere near as bad as the way Americans say the year - "Two-thousand-eight" rather than "Two thousand and eight"...that bugs me no end.

[scooter]

I'm like, soooo over it, don't go there. :D

[Cliff Rogers]

fully sic, not. :D

[Burnsy]

I don't like it either, I prefer to say "oops, my :censored2: up." :D

Cliff, the kids at school prefer your option, however most have worked out that "my bad" gets them in less trouble.

[Waldo]

Do you find this as annoying as I do,

:yes: , also pings me off when people say or write omg, which I find very offensive.

[Waldo]

fully sic, not. :D

So Cliff did you spew up or not? :?


:D

[ss_11000]

OMG, u guys suk. my bad is a mad sayin. i use it al the time.

its a good short phrase that says: i know i'm wrong and i admit it.

thats 2 words compared to 8. were lazy;)

[SPIRIT]

YOUR MUM !!

get with it yar old farrttss:D

[ss_11000]

Spirit

your mama jokes are so last year:D

[SPIRIT]

thats what she said:q

[ss_11000]

oooooh...BURN:o

[SPIRIT]

Snap

[ss_11000]

are we playing cards now:? :cool:

can we play texas hold em next. i'll see ur bandsaw and raise u a tablesaw :D ( just kidding, playing with chips is so much more relaxing and risk free lol )

:hmm: i hate that phrase "lol" yet i still use it. no one actually laughs when they write that:(

[RETIRED]

I think Australians had the saying long before anyone else. They have adapted it from " My blue" which has been used for longer than 35 years that I can remember.:wink::D

[Gingermick]

my bad shoulder?:?:doh:

[Waldo]

" My blue"

:whistle: "Me and and you and a dog named Blue"

:doh: my bad. :D :doh: wrong whistle whatsit, my mistake I'm sorry.

[Wongo]

I would like to invite you to the Friday thread tomorrow.:D

[HappyHammer]

Don't like it but I must be living in the same hole as Bazza as I haven't heard it. I used all this temporary slang rubbish when I was young and I'm sure it was as annoying to adults then as it certainly is to me now.

My children will be banned from using any terminology I find annoying in my presence.:~ In fact I'm thinking of leasing them out for their teenage years as they may not survive if they stay.:no:

Only thing worse than younguns using this tripe is people over twenty using it in a forlorn attempt to be "with it"

HH.

[Big Shed]

Only thing worse than younguns using this tripe is people over twenty using it in a forlorn attempt to be "with it"
HH.

:2tsup:

[silentC]

It's bad English no matter how popular it is because "bad" as a noun is uncountable. You can't say "this is a bad", so you likewise can't say "that was my bad", which is what "my bad" is a contraction of.

"Mistake", on the other hand, is countable, so you can say "this is a mistake", "this is my mistake", "my mistake".

Stupid Americans....

[Ivan in Oz]

It's bad English no matter

Stupid Americans....


Oh!! Dear me!

Watchout for Incoming:oo::o

[Cliff Rogers]

'My blue' sounds better than 'my bad' :2tsup:

[silentC]

That's 'cause 'blue' in that sense is a countable noun, like 'mistake'. :p


Watchout for Incoming
I'm quaking in my boots! :wink:

[Ivan in Oz]

I'm quaking in my boots! :wink:

So you are being quaked??????

Told you:p
The Quakers are American:;

[astrid]

Irritating teenage language comes and goes.
When i was young (ger) everything was GROUSE.
surfboards got dinged, cars got pranged.

Some comes to stay, most goes, like zap, pow and wham.
Or Heebie jeebies, spiffing for goodness sakes.
as someone already pointed out, english and strine are living languages.

Once it was considered the 20th centuary equivelent of "valley" or "Essex" girl to say perfume, not scent or mirror instead of looking glass.

this is archaic and I dont think anyone except Countess Von Astrid would disagree.

Astrid
:)

[Gingermick]

Yes, you're an anachronism :D:D:D

[AlexS]

I used all this temporary slang rubbish when I was young and I'm sure it was as annoying to adults then as it certainly is to me now.


...as it was and is meant to be.:D

[astrid]

Young man,
What do you mean?

The Countess

[astrid]

Dont let's flatter ourselves that this is deliberate to annoy us.
That stage passes by the age of 6.
By the time their 15, I dont think they notice us that much:no:

"Pout" Smiley required,

Astrid:)

[Cliff Rogers]

..."Pout" Smiley required,.....:)
Here are a couple that go close.... :sad1: :unsure: :erm_smile: :sleep4:

[Gingermick]

If Ya Not Down With Da Lingo, Dog, Ya Dissing The Wrong Posse

[astrid]

Now Dis or dissing, I happen to think is a very inovative and accurate use of a contraction.
Rather than say "excuse me, but i am somwhat insulted to your attitude to my opinion" or whatever, you can say " you dissing me" this is much nicer and more accuratre than telling someone " aw pi ss off"
at least it shows that the word "disrespect" is understood by the user.

Another old term from Shakespeare is "wicked"
as in "by the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes"
That shows that Shakespeare thought that Mc Beth was a really Cool Dude.
And yes Stirlo and you other teenagers, I know that no-one says "really cool dude" anymore!!

Astrid:U

[silentC]

It's an example of gutter talk propagated by criminals and no-hopers and adopted by kids because they idolise gangsters for some reason that I cannot fathom. Same as the undies visible above the jeans, the backwards baseball cap and the odd fascination with joggers.

I much prefer p*ss off, and if they don't get my point when I say it, that's their problem, not mine :D

[Ivan in Oz]

I much prefer p*ss off, and if they don't get my point when I say it, that's their problem, not mine :D

Then again I prefer Pizz auf:rolleyes:

Other than that, I'd prefer to read [ and look at ] pretty Pictures of .........um
Wodwork, yes; Woodwork.


SORRY, the mind was wandering there for a mo:B

[astrid]

Lighten up silentC , look beneath the obvious.
I prefere the poetry of street talk, to the "OMy Gaad, Oh My Gaad" of the vally girl talk, or the "go the extra mile" corp speak.
Language has to change or we would be back with " wen april with its shoor soot the drouth of march hath pirsed to the roote (apollogies to Chaucer)
I often comfort my and my sons bad spelling with saying "bother Dr Johnson"
Did you watch robin hood as a kid?

Oh and Gingermick, That should have been "Bit ch", not "dog" i think.
Astrid:U

[Gingermick]

NO no no no, dog as in 'dawg'

(I saw it on the kids scooby doo movie)

[astrid]

Sorry GM, thought you were replying to my post
You see even street talk has gender specifics:U
It seems to me that a few people are being a little selective it the critisism of the misuse of grammar
EG how many here engoy Bessie Smith, and other great blues music.
"My mother told me.
When I was 6"
does'nt have quite the same ring as
My Momma dun tol me.
When i was in pigtails"

and one could go on

Astrid

[silentC]

Lighten up silentC , look beneath the obvious.
Come again?

Oh yeah, gangster talk is just so deep, man... :rolleyes:

Nup sorry, those people have nothing to contribute to society except dodgy fashions, gaudy jewellery and suspect morals. :)

Oh yeah, and hip hop. Gotta love that....

[silentC]

the "OMy Gaad, Oh My Gaad" of the vally girl talk, or the "go the extra mile" corp speak.
Are these the only alternatives? What about just normal speech like the rest of us use? :)

[ss_11000]

And yes Stirlo and you other teenagers, I know that no-one says "really cool dude" anymore!!

Astrid:U
some of the 'rude' people use the phrase MC. if you dont know what it means: Mad C***.

i dont know how this is calling someone cool:?...i dont get a lot of things though:cool: i guess i can just go thruogh life being ignorant:2tsup:

[Brown Dog]

Oh yeah, gangster talk is just so deep, man... :rolleyes:



fo shigga my wigga...:cool:

[silentC]

I thought it was "fo shizzle, my nizzle"?

For sure, my... erm... good fellow.

See? These people are idiots. And they set the trends our kids want to follow. There's no hope.

Stoopid Americans...

[tea lady]

Dear SilentC, Maybe stay away from sharp objects for a while till you feel a bit better. Or have a nice cup-o'-tea.:D
Or maybe the problem is that you haven't been in the shed enough!:oo:

[Brown Dog]

nah "fo shizzle my nizzle" is for the African brothers

"fo shigga my wigga" is for caucasian acquaintances

Im outa here...church

B Dawg :cool:

[silentC]

Maybe stay away from sharp objects for a while till you feel a bit better.
I feel just fine, thanks for asking :)

[astrid]

SilentC
Arnt you being a bit arbitery here,
What is "normal speach"
I remember getting canned (another 70's word) by teachers for my beautiful english(vernicular) when i was a kid.
Some of this "incorrect" english is saxon or middle english and goes back 1500 years.
Are we talking purist BBC here, an invented speach adopted by the middle class?.
Do we start purifing the language as the english did to the welsh and the Irish,
or let it grow? (or shorten as the case may be:U)
So you would rather use the expression Pi ss of, that ask them not to disrespect you? Odd

Alas poor english, I knew it well,

Astrid:)

[astrid]

Stirlo,
Do you mean mad cows?:U
see what happens with censorship?
not that I'm complaining about the forum, I like it clean..................ish
And stick with the thought, I was saying Shakespeare thought Mc beth was wicked not a MC

Astrid

[ss_11000]

Stirlo,
Do you mean mad cows?:U
see what happens with censorship?
not that I'm complaining about the forum, I like it clean..................ish

Astrid
censorship is good :cool:but i hate it when its over done:(.

eg, at school or work etc. you kick your toe and mutter a litlle swear word under your breath and get in trouble:(. fair enough if you yell it out:).

[HappyHammer]

If Ya Not Down With Da Lingo, Dog, Ya Dissing The Wrong Posse
See what I mean.:U

HH.

[HappyHammer]

fo shigga my wigga...:cool:
And again.....:U

HH.

[HappyHammer]

Do you mean mad cows?
Nuff said....

HH.

[ss_11000]

gawd, another thing i hate is people calling other people dawg/dog. :?

[HappyHammer]

We should teach our kids Aussie slang to keep them away from this American rubbish.

Stuff like, strewth, cobber, sheila, maaate, mucker, geezer, bird..... oops reverted to my previous nationality towards the end....time for a lie down I think.:U

HH.

[flynnsart]

hahahahaha :doh:language, language language:D

I dont look at american slang as bad, but it has its own home, just like our slang has. Just as foriegn plants have their own home and our natives have their own home.

Donna

[Gingermick]

Very true, look what happened with the cane toads

[ss_11000]

the word "mate" will never go out of fashion :2tsup:

[Brown Dog]

And again.....:U

HH.

yo...tryin to start some shiz up in da higgle my wigga :brucelee:

B to the D:cool2:

[Rocker]

how about BUT I will meet you but....so what does but mean
les

Les,

In this context, but means "I don't put out on the first date, you dirty old man".

Rocker

[AlexS]

"My mother told me.
When I was 6"
does'nt have quite the same ring as
My Momma dun tol me.
When i was in pigtails"

and one could go on

Astrid

Aah yes, reminds me of the old Stan Freburg one...
That elderly man river......
...
...
He must know something, but he doesn't say anything....
etc.

[SPIRIT]

gee l have to work with teenagers it was was a whole day before l could stop them calling me a Pooff ,most boys don't even talk as we do its more a grunting sort of thing with some funny body movements :Dwere old and they are not to comunicate with them its somewhere in the middle
sorry at 15 16 it more on thier side of the line or you have lost them:doh:

[astrid]

Or then theres

Robert Mc Gee and I,

found myself in finanial difficulty in Baton Rouge
...
and i was feeling rather tired, just as my jeans were somewhat worn
...
I removed my mouth organ, or harmonica from my rather soiled red handkerchief..

Astrid:U

so is it bad english or poetry

[wheelinround]

late 70's "Dead Set what a Hassle"
Riddgy Digdge

or my sons fav a few years ago so his mum wouldn't clout him "Soff" short for Phys Off

or other son who uses SMEG Orf instead of F%$% or "Fire Truck" he butchered my Frier Tuck

never heard the "My Bad"

[silentC]

Arnt you being a bit arbitery here
I see you're not a big fan of irony :)

[artme]

I detest this word with a passion.
Whenever I am asked "Do youse want anything else?" "Are youse alright?" Etc., etc., etc..I can't restrain myself. I am compelled to answer
"No, wees (or is it wese?) are OK."

Another bugbear is the confusion of adverbs and adjectives as in "You did good." Aaaarrrrgh!!!:((:((:(:(
Consider this utterance from the well educated and very good American golfer Johnny Miller "I drove good, I putted good I played good."

Other peeves include the misuse of seen and done. :no::no::no:

[Big Shed]

Absolutely:D

[ss_11000]

did dudley do right?

[Waldo]

Other peeves include the misuse of seen and done. :no::no::no:

Add to that, the misuse of was and were, was is singular and were plural, for example he was and they were. The best example of this misuse is on any commercial network news, particualarly ch. 10. :~

[silentC]

And Darryl Summers on that stoopid dancing show. "The next couple through to next week's show is ..." - that's OK but then - "the next two who'll be with us again next week is ..."

[Cliff Rogers]

Gorn go'n git ya gro'sir's, I'll sit 'ere. :2tsup:

[Waldo]

And Darryl Summers on that stoopid dancing show. "The next couple through to next week's show is ..." - that's OK but then - "the next two who'll be with us again next week is ..."

:2tsup:

That's the other misuse of singular and plural that I couldn't remember, which is more prevalent than my examples.

[Big Shed]

Or in the written language, the number of people that don't know the difference between then and than, there and their and affect and effect.

And don't get me started on apostrophes!!!! The local shop has lollie's and cashew's on special!!!

[Cliff Rogers]

Your not wrong. :D

[Ivan in Oz]

> people that don't know the difference between there and their
> The local shop has lollie's and cashew's on special!!!

They're there in Their shop with Condiments.:D:D:D:doh:

[AlexS]

Or in the written language, the number of people that don't know the difference between then and than, there and their and affect and effect.

And don't get me started on apostrophes!!!! The local shop has lollie's and cashew's on special!!!
...or that and who:wink:

[Gingermick]

youse was played bad.

[astrid]

Or a particularly english one

"I were going to do it"
"was you?"

Hey, and leave punctuation and pelzing out of it
Can we just stick with grammar.

( wos gooin to say "stay wiv gramma") (Manchester)
but it dint seem so poetic like.(Nottinghamese)

and don't even ask me to do it in Cumbrian

Astrid

[Terry B]

Or in the written language, the number of people that don't know the difference between then and than, there and their and affect and effect.

And don't get me started on apostrophes!!!! The local shop has lollie's and cashew's on special!!!
or other charming words like "Bistraunt" I noted it on a big sign outside a pub in Newcastle.
My 13 yr old son uses "my bad" all the time. (to get back to what started this thread)
I just have to ignore it. It's not worth the energy to hassle him about it.

[artme]

Remember a Holden T shrt some years ago? "When your hot your hot.":oo:

How about the cretin who advertises " A small amount of houses in this price range":o
Them things, those things.:((
Perogative?:?
Vunerable?:((
Pricipal,principle?:doh::doh:Remember the principal is your pal.
Incident, incidence, and (shudder) incidences.:((
Numerous numbers of.....:gaah:
Will this list never end?:?
Am I tethered to a different planet?:D

[Outbackrr]

Will this list never end?:?

Advise - Advice

Choose - Chose

Loose - Lose

And so on.....

Then there's pleonasms, such as 'free gift' or 'I know from past experience'

[Big Shed]

Thank you outbackrr for adding a new word to my vocabulary, must confess I had to look up what a pleonasm is.

There is an interesting list of pleonasms (http://www.wordinfo.info/words/index/info/view_unit/4246/?letter=P&spage=10) here.

[Ivan in Oz]

When Holden brought out the Statesman;
or was it the Brougham;
they had a Mandatory Option:?
I believe it was for a Limited Slip Differential

Also is it pronounced:-

MANdatory
or
MandaTORY

[wheelinround]

Fee Fie Foe Fum

Thee shall have thy way with ye wench
thoust
joust
a jest
begone

[Cliff Rogers]

I hate "return home" :~

You go home or you went home, you can return to where you came from, or return a book, or re-turn a bit of wood that jumped off the lathe (after you return it to where it came from)

Return home is weird.... :rolleyes:

[HappyHammer]

Or a particularly english one

"I were going to do it"
"was you?"

Hey, and leave punctuation and pelzing out of it
Can we just stick with grammar.

( wos gooin to say "stay wiv gramma") (Manchester)
but it dint seem so poetic like.(Nottinghamese)

and don't even ask me to do it in Cumbrian

Astrid

Bloody northerners no idea how to speak proper English...:roll:

HH.

[HappyHammer]

And then there are the yanks who invent words on the fly....:U

winningest :o

HH.

[jerryc]

I know language is a living, moving, thing. It's an argument I've used myself. However the mangling of language by Americans stems, not from a robust need to find new expression as was the case with Shakespeare and often from slang, but from a total lack of knowledge and understanding. Latest example at which I cringed

The verb --"To Opine" Example "The craftsman opined it was not right."

Mind you they cannot cope with past participles
"He dove into the water."

Jerry

Everyone is entitled to my opinion

[astrid]

Regarding local acents and grammar, things get a bit confusing.
Lots of local english speach still has grammar grounded in Saxon, Celtic
or whatever.
This is a beatiful mix that is sadly disappearing.
I have noticed that with the british population being more migratory than30 years ago, many have lost their regional accents and the language is morphing
(excuse contraction, i cant spell metamorphisize) into a rather dull and ugly essex/ southern hash.

Local dialects are an important part of a culture and should be presered without assistance from the "Proper english/grammar police"
This is probably happening all over the world, another loss to globalisation.

Astrid:no: