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powderpost
12th March 2008, 10:29 PM
The last market saw us sell out of scoops, while making replacements, I thought a WIP could be in order, so here goes. Just hope it is of some benefit to someone. Making this scoop is similar to making a goblet without a base.
Start with a square piece in a scroll chuck and bore a hole for the cup. I use a modified spade bit with a bit of tape around the shank to control the depth of hole.
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The inside of the cup is cleaned up using a small scraper with a shear scrape cut.
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The block is now rounded off with a roughing gouge, and tidied up with a skew.
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powderpost
12th March 2008, 10:40 PM
The length of the bowl is marked off and a deep "V" cut with the long point of the skew, and the outside of the bowl is formed with a skew chisel.
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The outside edge is thinned to a fine edge.
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After sanding, rough out the handle, and refine the shape with a detail gouge.
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lubbing5cherubs
12th March 2008, 10:47 PM
Cool thank you this should be interesting
Toni

powderpost
12th March 2008, 10:52 PM
Now the handle is finished. carefully sand and cut from the chuck with the long point of the skew chisel.
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Cut the top half off the cup on the bandsaw and clean up. I made a small 'drum' sander by turning a 75mm block round and winding and gluing a strip of sand paper to the block and fitting it into the lathe. Handy for a lot sanding a lot of things.
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Now look at the finished project, simple really, all up should take less than an hour. :)

Jim

killerbeast
12th March 2008, 10:59 PM
great . i will have to make me one of thees

lubbing5cherubs
12th March 2008, 10:59 PM
cool. thank you for this
Toni

powderpost
12th March 2008, 11:15 PM
Good, looks like this was good for some one...
Jim

wheelinround
13th March 2008, 08:18 AM
Powderpost thanks for that a good WIP looks great

What finish did you use being for food ???

Ray

artme
13th March 2008, 09:38 AM
Great little tutorial! Thanx!!:2tsup::2tsup::2tsup:

powderpost
13th March 2008, 10:35 AM
Ray, I have been using walnut as a finish.
Jim

TTIT
13th March 2008, 10:48 AM
:2tsup:Out of curiosity Jim - do you sell these on their own or with bowls/boxes???

powderpost
13th March 2008, 10:59 AM
TT, They are sold on their own.
Jim

Sawdust Maker
13th March 2008, 11:26 AM
If it's not a rude question, how much do you get for them?

BTW nice tutorial, thanks

wheelinround
13th March 2008, 01:15 PM
Thanks Jim

Gil Jones
13th March 2008, 02:55 PM
Thank you, Jim, this is an excellent WIP, and a mighty fine scoop too.:2tsup:

Ad de Crom
13th March 2008, 07:29 PM
Thanks Jim, that was a very nice demonstration, so easy and what I like so useful.

Ad

joe greiner
13th March 2008, 10:58 PM
Nice product, Jim, and excellent presentation of the process. Thanks.

Joe

BobL
14th March 2008, 12:24 AM
PP, They look great!

To save wood have you ever though about making the handles and scoop parts separately and then joining then together. It seems like an awful lot of timber can get lost in making the handle?

OGYT
14th March 2008, 12:41 PM
Jim, thanks for the scoop tute! :D Good job in explaining everything, as you went along. That looks like a very useful little item. Ever tried making different sizes?

Frank&Earnest
14th March 2008, 09:40 PM
PP, They look great!

To save wood have you ever though about making the handles and scoop parts separately and then joining then together. It seems like an awful lot of timber can get lost in making the handle?

Of course Bob would say that, Jim, we have already established that he, like me, is a throwback to Homo Faber. :D Thanks for the demo, it is good to have a "professional" showing how it is done for a crust.

Now that you have shown me yours, I show you mine. For the reason said above, I have always been rather unimpressed with the low efficiency (wood /scoop) and effectiveness (volume of scoop/capacity of scoop) of the traditional turned scoop design. Don't look at my poor turning, this is only a proof of concept using crapiata pine.

The idea is to use both halfs of the bowl instead of wasting one.
1) turn between centres a cylinder as long as 1 bowl, 2 handles and 2 tenons.
2) finish the outside of the bowl and take down the handle and tenon cylinder on both sides to about half the diametre.
3) cut the bowl diagonally
4) hollow out the scoop. For this example, and if the "hand carved" look sells, gouge and mallet will do. It is quick, all along the grain. For mass produced ones, a router setup would be a better option.
5) mount the tenon in the chuck and sand the inside if needed.
6) turn the handle and finish
7) Discount for buying the couple:).

Comments welcome.

Frank&Earnest
14th March 2008, 09:43 PM
next pics

wheelinround
15th March 2008, 08:40 AM
BobL & FE in considering the idea of not loosing valuable timber

Instead of turning the whole handle down why not trim on the bandsaw as close as practical then turn down
Gives small off cut pieces for other work such as segmented etc.

The scoop section could then have a hole saw run into it while being held in the chuck a hole saw in a Jacobs chuck then paring it away. I had considered a SC blade small eough but other than a Dremal one :no:

Frank&Earnest
15th March 2008, 11:50 AM
BobL & FE in considering the idea of not loosing valuable timber

Instead of turning the whole handle down why not trim on the bandsaw as close as practical then turn down
Gives small off cut pieces for other work such as segmented etc.



Yes, in principle this works also: cut off 1/4 of the diametre on each side of the handles before rounding the cylindre.

I suppose it boils down to whether the value of the small pieces recovered justifies the extra time and effort of measuring and cutting them off with reasonable precision. If the timber is really that valuable, would you want to make a scoop out of it in the first place? I am not sure there would be a big market for $100 lignum vitae scoops, but it could work with a $150 lignum vitae mallet, for example.

powderpost
15th March 2008, 02:18 PM
Very interesting reading. Been down that road Frank. Found that turning the rolling pin idea was too slow. Even tried to bore the bowl out of the half bowl with a spade bit, but couldn't get a good quality finish in the bowl quickly enough. Still good to see a discussion on the topic.
Jim

Frank&Earnest
15th March 2008, 06:17 PM
Very interesting reading. Been down that road Frank. Found that turning the rolling pin idea was too slow. Even tried to bore the bowl out of the half bowl with a spade bit, but couldn't get a good quality finish in the bowl quickly enough. Still good to see a discussion on the topic.
Jim

Thanks Jim, if you also had that idea I'm not that whacko then:D. Of course the hollowing is the critical factor. Have you ruled out a horizontal pass with a U shaped router as wide as the whole hollow? Once you have set that up and a cradle for holding the scoop, you should have a clean cut in seconds. Again, it would boil down to whether offering two different designs would result in better sales and whether sales of this design are good enough to justify setting up the router. For a few dozens a year it might be worth it.

TTIT
15th March 2008, 09:34 PM
Hmmmm :C - I don't see what the problem is :shrug:. There's no more waste in Jims method than turning a goblet and much less than a bowl or box or just about anything else you turn.:U

powderpost
15th March 2008, 09:40 PM
Frank, small round piece of wood, large diameter router bit, 20,000 rpm, not a good recipe???? Interesting idea though.
Jim

Frank&Earnest
15th March 2008, 10:37 PM
Hmmmm :C - I don't see what the problem is :shrug:. There's no more waste in Jims method than turning a goblet and much less than a bowl or box or just about anything else you turn.:U

Hi TTIT. No problem with Jim's method, it's the time honoured way to turn scoops. My point is that turning a scoop in this way wastes half the bowl and produces little capacity, as Jim also realised and tried to address. Of course, hollowing the bowl wastes as much as with any other bowl of the same size and there is no real issue with the handle, as already discussed. (Bob's question has not yet been answered directly, but my guess is that it would still come down to cost/benefit).

My apologies if my post looked in any way like a criticism, that was not the intention. I was only asking if this alternative had been considered and its pros and cons, and I have got the answer. Maybe a better way would have been to open this discussion in a new thread. :shrug: (Thanks for putting this smilie in, so I could copy and paste it..):D

powderpost
16th March 2008, 03:33 PM
Frank, there is no need for an apology. Your comments were valid, and if we do not question "tradition", we make no progress.
For Bob's question, it slipped under the radar. :) It would be necessary to have a spigot of some sort to hold the 'bowl' for turning. This spigot would probably have to be removed of used as a dowel to attach the handle with. Not a bad idea for using a different species for the handle. Too much mucking around for my application, still food for thought.
Jim