Making planes

[HeadenLutherie]

I've been trying to find info on the net with no luck. Has anyone here made their own planes, and if so I'd appreciate it a lot if you'd enlighten me at least to the basics.

Thanks,
Devon

[Driver]

I've never made one myself but there are those on this forum who have(!) and you'll get some good advice from them.

However, in the meantime, have a look at this link that I was reading earlier this week:-

http://www.crfinefurniture.com/1pages/sitelinks/howplane.html

Regards

Col

[HeadenLutherie]

Thanks a lot :)...days of google searching didn't even find anything that good

Devon

[Bob Willson]

The following search in google got good results too.
Have a look at googles hints page top learn how to search more effectively. especially the use of inverted commas to search for phrases.

"how to" "make your own" plane wooden

[derekcohen]

Hi HeadenLutherie

I've made a couple of planes. What do you want to know?

Regards from Perth

Derek

[forge]

I'm interested in this as well .One of the books I have is by
Making woodwork aids & devices, Robert Wearing,
unfortunatly it has some metalwork,thats ower my head
for now.Another book I have seen advertised is by John
Wheelan-making traditional wooden planes.I mast admit to wanting to make small cast bodied violinmakers planes and the
like .To this end I'm teaching myself patternmaking and metalcasting .Anyone care to discuss this I have a lot of info.
forge

[bitingmidge]

There have been a couple of "how to" articles in Woodenboat Magazine (U.S.) in the last five years or so, I'll see what I can find over the weekend.

Cheers,

P

[derekcohen]

If you are interested in putting together a Krenov-style kit, then contact Ron Hock at

http://www.hocktools.com/default.html

He has a nice blow up of his kit on his website. You may want his blades anyway. Design the plane body around the blade. So an obvious place to start - what type of plane do you want, and what type of blade do you need/already have?

Regards from Perth

Derek

[forge]

Originally posted by bitingmidge
There have been a couple of "how to" articles in Woodenboat Magazine (U.S.) in the last five years or so, I'll see what I can find over the weekend.

Cheers,

P
Thanks,BM.Look forward to it.

[forge]

Originally posted by derekcohen
If you are interested in putting together a Krenov-style kit, then contact Ron Hock at

http://www.hocktools.com/default.html

He has a nice blow up of his kit on his website. You may want his blades anyway. Design the plane body around the blade. So an obvious place to start - what type of plane do you want, and what type of blade do you need/already have?

Regards from Perth

Derek
Thank's Derek,I must admit to have done a fair bit of blacksmithing and making my own toosl in the past so I would be making my own blades for these planes.Regards,
forge

[derekcohen]

Forge

I'm impressed. A blacksmithing course is on my To Do List.

Here are some of my saved websites on plane making and custom plane makers:

http://www.hocktools.com/default.html

http://www.hntgordon.com.au/productioncat.htm

http://www.stjamesbaytoolco.com/

http://www.knight-toolworks.com/

http://www.xmission.com/~jry/ww/tools/kingshott/panel.html

http://www.shepherdtool.com/END%20OCT%20NOV%202003%20Im%20Not%20Sure%20I%20Can%20Build%20a%20KIT%2011a.htm

http://home.insightbb.com/~sepost/Thumbnail_Making/start.html

Enjoy

Regards from Perth

Derek

[forge]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by derekcohen
[B]Forge

I'm impressed. A blacksmithing course is on my To Do List.

Here are some of my saved websites on plane making and

Derek,
Thanks for the adresses.I suggest you dont wait for a blacksmithing course.Just do it .If you are interested I would be more than hapy to set you on the road to set up your own
oerge ,and then start basic blacksmithing.Like with woodworking
one learns the basics and then it's just practice and experiment.
(I'll get off the soapbox now)
forge

[Dan]

"Making and Mastering Wood Planes" by David Finck.
ISBN 0-8069-6163-5
One book that is worth having even if you never actually make a wood plane.

Dan

[forge]

Originally posted by Dan
"Making and Mastering Wood Planes" by David Finck.
ISBN 0-8069-6163-5
One book that is worth having even if you never actually make a wood plane.

Dan



Tanks ,Dan .Been looking for the book at amazon , read about it
would like to own the book when finances permit .Do you want to
sell your copy?:)
Regards.

[Dan]

Sure Forge, you can buy my copy, as long as I can borrow it back for the next 20-30 years. If that arrangement doesn't suit then Timbecon or MIK will let you have one of their copies for about $30.

Dan

[HeadenLutherie]

Thanks a lot for the information. I used several search terms really close to that one and couldn't get anything :-/. I think I had too much in the quotations. Sorry about taking so long, but I've been super-busy the last few weeks. I want to make a couple, but the one I want the most is a hollowing plane. Then a good bench plane would be nice. Anyway, the work calls...later

Devon

[forge]

Originally posted by Dan
Sure Forge, you can buy my copy, as long as I can borrow it back for the next 20-30 years. If that arrangement doesn't suit then Timbecon or MIK will let you have one of their copies for about $30.

Dan
I'm not familiar with eather of these companies ,have to do a
web search .Thank for the above offer .
Regards,forge

[derekcohen]

Devon

So why didn't you say so earlier. Here is a link to building moulding planes.

http://home.insightbb.com/~sepost/Thumbnail_Making/start.html

I think you can get blades from St James Bay

http://www.stjamesbaytoolco.com/

or buy a set from The Japan Woodworker (only reasonably priced new planes available).

http://www.thejapanwoodworker.com/dept.asp?dept_id=11844

I have a half set of H&Rs and I'm out in my workshop using them at this moment. I got lucky with these. A lady (in her 60s) called me up one day. Said she had a box of moulding planes to sell that had been her fathers, who had died 40 years earlier. There was a near complete matched half set of H&R. I snapped them up. Not cheap but reasonable. I'm actually out in my workshop today (Sunday morning) using them.

Regards from Perth

Derek

[journeyman Mick]

Derek,
You have a computer in your workshop?? I usually don't even have a calculator ( they all seem to migrate back to my office).

Mick

[derekcohen]

Mick

Yeah, sure - I have a computer in my workshop? Do you think my name is Norm?

No, my computer is in my study (at home) and my workshop dominates a double garage. Sorry if I gave that impression. But thanks for the idea!

I do have a hi fi in the workshop and listen to music a lot. Now here's a chance for a new category: what do you listen to as you work? My favourite time is Saturday morning between 11:00 am and 2:00 pm when a local station (92.1 FM) plays really great jazz. Around the same time on Sunday morning I get a similar jazz/blues programme. The beauty of handtools is that you can actually hear the music!

I don't want to hijack the origibnal topic, so I think I will start a new topic. Answer there.

Regards from Perth

Derek

[HeadenLutherie]

Originally posted by derekcohen
So why didn't you say so earlier.
http://home.insightbb.com/~sepost/Thumbnail_Making/start.html

I think you can get blades from St James Bay

http://www.stjamesbaytoolco.com/

or buy a set from The Japan Woodworker (only reasonably priced new planes available).

http://www.thejapanwoodworker.com/dept.asp?dept_id=11844

I have a half set of H&Rs and I'm out in my workshop using them at this moment. I got lucky with these. A lady (in her 60s) called me up one day. Said she had a box of moulding planes to sell that had been her fathers, who had died 40 years earlier. There was a near complete matched half set of H&R. I snapped them up. Not cheap but reasonable. I'm actually out in my workshop today (Sunday morning) using them.

Regards from Perth

Derek

I was jsut looking for general information on planes at the time. Thanks for the links, but I meant a hollowing plane like this (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3709652941&category=47067&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%3AIT&rd=1) for carving guitar tops. Is it possible (and worth the time) to make a wooden spokeshave? I love working with wooden tools, because it enhances the whole experience for me, but if it's too fragile, I guess I'll just stick with cast ones. Thanks again.

Devon

[derekcohen]

Devon

Ahha. There are a few ways to go.

Firstly, try this site for wooden spokeshave building.

http://www.ncworkshops.com/

Secondly, as an alternative to a spokeshave, I envisaged a few rounded compass planes. One could have a wide mouth with a rounded blade for removing lots of timber quickly, then a slightly smaller mouth for smoothing, and finally a smoothing version of this.

What do you think?

Regards from Perth

Derek

[forge]

Originally posted by HeadenLutherie
I've been trying to find info on the net with no luck. Has anyone here made their own planes, and if so I'd appreciate it a lot if you'd enlighten me at least to the basics.

Thanks,
Devon
Searching for info about sharpening , Have found a lot of info on planemaking .chisel handle replacement, and lots of
other interesting stuff in the hand tools area
other stuff on;/www.forums.woodnet.net
forge

[bitingmidge]

Forge,

I must admit I got a bit distracted looking through all those old magazines, and did a search on the Woodenboat Magazine (http://www.woodenboat.com) website, where there is a fully indexed searchable database of all articles!

There are a myriad of articles on planes (as well as hydroplanes) and their use that have been published in that magazine, the following are articles I happen to have and can recommend:-

Issue #163 How to make a Rabbet Plane
Issue #147 How to make a 7" Smoothing Plane
Issue #157 Troubleshooting Planes

And not in my collection but looks promising:-

Issue#69 How to make wooden planes including plans and instructions.

Back issues are available through Boat Books (http://www.boatbooks-aust.com.au/) in Brisbane Sydney or Melbourne, or eventually I could buy a scanner and copy the relevant pages if you didn't tell where you got them from :)

Cheers,

P

[forge]

Originally posted by bitingmidge
Forge,

I must admit I got a bit distracted looking through all those old magazines, and did a search on the Woodenboat Magazine (http://www.woodenboat.com) website, where there is a fully indexed searchable database of all articles!

There are a myriad of articles on planes (as well as hydroplanes) and their use that have been published in that magazine, the following are articles I happen to have and can recommend:-

Issue #163 How to make a Rabbet Plane
Issue #147 How to make a 7" Smoothing Plane
Issue #157 Troubleshooting Planes
P

Thanks for the trouble you took -mr.Biting.Financialy I'm restricted
to get availible info of the web ,if availible.Have found some info
on some of the other woodworking forum archives.
Thanks again,
forge

[forge]

Originally posted by HeadenLutherie
Thanks a lot for the information. I used several search terms really close to that one and couldn't get anything :-/. I think I had too much in the quotations. Sorry about taking so long, but I've been super-busy the last few weeks. I want to make a couple, but the one I want the most is a hollowing plane. Then a good bench plane would be nice. Anyway, the work calls...later

Devon

More on plane making, in the musical intrument makers forum.
Enjoy;
http://www.mimf.com/cgi-bin/[email protected]^4@/
forge

[HeadenLutherie]

I feel a little dumb that you got that from mimf :rolleyes: ..the link's not working, but I'll do a search on mimf for it.

[forge]

Originally posted by HeadenLutherie
I feel a little dumb that you got that from mimf :rolleyes: ..the link's not working, but I'll do a search on mimf for it.

Devon ,for the first time the adress did not copy properly .
try this.hopefuly it will work this time


http://www.mimf.com/cgi-bin/[email protected]^4@/

forge

[forge]

Originally posted by HeadenLutherie
I feel a little dumb that you got that from mimf :rolleyes: ..the link's not working, but I'll do a search on mimf for it.

Devon ,here is another link lot of good stuff in the woodworking
area ,about planes ,sharpening and other stuff

www.CianPerez.com

forge

[goodwoody]

I heard someone was looking for a double radii moulding plane. If this is true does this help?
The plane is of Japanese origin made from whit oak and steel and is about 100mm long and 30mm wide. Damien.

[goodwoody]

another.

[derekcohen]

Goodwoody

That's what I had in mind for Devon. But I'm not sure that is what he was after.

Regards from Perth

Derek

[HeadenLutherie]

http://img44.photobucket.com/albums/v136/HeadenLutherie/plane0006d.jpg

That's what I'm looking for..it looks like the curve is going over the width instead of the length.

Thanks for all the help :D

[derekcohen]

HeadenLutherie

Then that would make it basically the same as a large moulding plane.

If I were to make one like that, I would first construct it in the same way as any wooden (smoothing-type) handplane, then I would round the sole. This could be done either by hand planing, or with a router on a sled and suitably curved plywood/MDF runners.

Just thinking aloud, by cutting away the soul (into a curve) it is possible that you may open the mouth more than you want for a finishing cut. You could either leave it so and finish your work with scrapers, or plan to make an adjustable mouth for the plane that you could close up yourself (as needed).

Or, thinking of pictures I have seen of Krenov's planes, add a thick veneer to the sole (of a standard flat-bottom design) and round that.

Just thoughts - not sure whether they are practical or necessary.

Regards from Perth

Derek

[HeadenLutherie]

Would the blade need to be round also?

[derekcohen]

Yes, the blade needs to match the curve of the sole. The tighter the fit (curve, gap) to the mouth, the finer the cut. Which is why I suggested earlier on making a couple of planes with varying degrees of mouth sizes, or making one plane with a movable mouth (think of a #60 1/2 or #65 block plane).

I recently made a scrub plane with a radiused blade. To do the blade I made a jig to use on my bench grinder. Nothing fancy, just a piece of timber the same size as the blade with one end radiused to the dimension I sought. This was screwed to the blade in such a way that the radius of the timber could be run against the rear of my tool rest when the blade was run against the grinder wheel. This enabled the blade to pivot against the wheel and grind a duplicate radius on the blade.

Regards from Perth

Derek

[HeadenLutherie]

I've got to get a few other things up and going first, but I'm gonna be trying to make one of these in the next few months. I'll try and remember to let you know how it goes. Well, I might bug you with some more questions before then. ;)


Thanks,
Devon