GIS built in Slovenia? Marking waterlines

[koala]

This is the first GIS in Slovenia!!!!!!

It's a start isn't it? :wink:

http://lh5.ggpht.com/Koalcek/SMkPDpHpX6I/AAAAAAAAAM4/FwQ1CGzEkds/s400/GIS%20033.jpg

I'm trying to attach some files (how do you guys upload files so you can see thumbnail plus a larger photo?:?)

http://lh5.ggpht.com/Koalcek/SMkPRm_FLLI/AAAAAAAAANg/hjv9BSVZQeM/s400/GIS%20038.jpg

If you can't see them have a look at:
http://picasaweb.google.si/Koalcek/GISModel#

http://lh6.ggpht.com/Koalcek/SMkPYIiw-jI/AAAAAAAAANw/JQh-SMqKZUs/s576/GIS%20043.jpg

Peter

[Boatmik]

It is a start and it is gorgeous! What materials did you use?

MIK

[CCBB]

The ext. color is great...I was thinking something like this color, a nice teal green, would look great on the Goat...tell is about the paint you used, too.

I also like the bottom paint...it looks good...any more photos showing the bottom...Mik do you indicate where the paint line could be on your plans (I am being lazy and can look)....why don't we see more GIS's with a bottom color...I'd like to see how it looks.

Can I describe this GIS as....sexy!?

Clint

[Theodor]

The ext. color is great...I was thinking something like this color, a nice teal green, would look great on the Goat...

Teal green?? I put in an order for Royal Blue!?!?

I'm am glad to see the stand is finally made. Where is that duck so we can get real perspective?

Mark

[koala]

Mik, material I used is birch veneer sheets, 1,5mm thick. Spars are round pine sticks. It got brown color from staining as I wanter the gaboon look of the interior. And for the framing I used sapeli (?) 2x4mm. Mostly leftovers from my other boats:D (the same goes for the sail).

Re. ext. color. I'm afraid the light wasn't good to show the real colour. :C
It's close to navy blue. White bottom and the chines are just for the contrast. I didn't want it for the waterline. As the bow is normally out of the water I thought it would be nice if you can see white comming from underneath.

Well, Mark, the stand is not from GIS:B. It's borrowed from PDR.
I will take a shot of both of them together.

[sloaleks]

O! You beat me to it badly!
So it seems I'll have postpone my build. Going to college this fall ...:cool:.

[Boatmik]

Hey sloaleks,

Maybe it would be good to drop Koala and Theodor a PM (click on their names above) and the option appears.

And Koala .... I am waiting for the pics of the two models together!!!

MIK:-)

[koala]

Hey Mik. Yes I promised both boats together. :B

Below is one of the photos. There are more pics in my album: http://picasaweb.google.si/Koalcek/PDR_GISTogether#

NOTE: The scale of both models is 1:10 to Michael's plans.

[Boatmik]

What a great photo!!!

Thanks mate!!!

MIK

[sloaleks]

Hey sloaleks,

Maybe it would be good to drop Koala and Theodor a PM (click on their names above) and the option appears.

And Koala .... I am waiting for the pics of the two models together!!!

MIK:-)


Yeah, thanks, will do! Models are looking mighty fine!

[Boatmik]

You can really see how crazy the sail size is on the PDRacer in that pic!!!

[arbordg]

Y'all might be interested in the fotos of my PDR and GIS on the same beach. Just got back from our last Coots boating event of the season, and the first time Shredder and Sisu had been launched together.

The two baby blue hulls are PDR & GIS. This is flickr, so remember to click the "all sizes" button above each image to get a full size foto.

http://flickr.com/photos/dirtsailor2003/sets/72157607418799960/

And here's a few more --

Sailing Together

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t4/auroradan/Timothy%20Lake%202008/PICT3125.jpg
http://s156.photobucket.com/albums/t4/auroradan/Timothy%20Lake%202008/?action=view&current=PICT3125.jpg

PDR on shore, GIS rowing by

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t4/auroradan/Timothy%20Lake%202008/PICT3083.jpg
http://s156.photobucket.com/albums/t4/auroradan/Timothy%20Lake%202008/?action=view&current=PICT3083.jpg

GIS rowing

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t4/auroradan/Timothy%20Lake%202008/PICT3090.jpg
http://s156.photobucket.com/albums/t4/auroradan/Timothy%20Lake%202008/?action=view&current=PICT3090.jpg

PDR chasing a Core Sound 20

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t4/auroradan/Timothy%20Lake%202008/PICT3103.jpg
http://s156.photobucket.com/albums/t4/auroradan/Timothy%20Lake%202008/?action=view&current=PICT3103.jpg

Jerry - second time out in GIS

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t4/auroradan/Timothy%20Lake%202008/PICT3133.jpg
http://s156.photobucket.com/albums/t4/auroradan/Timothy%20Lake%202008/?action=view&current=PICT3133.jpg

Shredder & Sisu arriving at the lake


http://s156.photobucket.com/albums/t4/auroradan/Timothy%20Lake%202008/?action=view&current=PICT3026.jpg

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t4/auroradan/Timothy%20Lake%202008/PICT3026.jpg
"Red meat is NOT bad for you. Now blue-green meat, THAT'S bad for you" -- Tommy Smothers

[CCBB]

Nice to see a GIS rowing with its transom clear of the water by quite a bit...she should row very easily!

My question for Mik, et. al., is: Are there any GISs with a bottom painto job and a sharp paint line or boot stripe. It may look sharp and redue the apparent freeboard of the boat. Seeing arbordg's sheer stripe and the model GIS painted bottom makes me think a white bottom paint job and a good paintline contrasting with a Teal would look striking. Any pics of GIS done like this?

Cheers,
Clint

[Boatmik]

Howdy Clint,

I do like the plain painted outside ... but Koala did such a nice job of striking the waterline on his model and painting the bottom a different colour ... that is suggestive too of what a break at that height will look like.

Rather nice if you ask me!

Michael

[CCBB]

If Koala could post a bow shot we can think about where to put the paint line. It might be fun to consider...it could make or break the paint job, that is the trick. Mik, could you suggest/draw what a paint line would look like best on a Goat? i.e., how high at bow and stern and we can do a fair curve from there. Often the nicest ones rise at the stem.

Clint

[koala]

Dear Compass project

It's best to visit this album to see more photos:
http://picasaweb.google.si/Koalcek/GISModel#

And this one too:
http://picasaweb.google.si/Koalcek/PDR_GISTogether#

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_sjywK3U7Ew0/SNO1L4sgxzI/AAAAAAAAAR8/QbDoPtt75XQ/s576/PDR_GIS%20012.jpg

Remember, this is a model, not a real boat.:U So the line I made (white/blue) is not exactly the waterline. It was merely for the looks.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_sjywK3U7Ew0/SNO1hIreeEI/AAAAAAAAASc/AEtVbnbA7s4/s400/PDR_GIS%20016.jpg

But if you look at the photos of GIS sailing you notice that often the bow bottom will be above water as well as the stern. I think it looks nice if you see two contrasting colors just near the water.

Greetings, Peter

[Theodor]

Remember, this is a model, not a real boat.:U So the line I made (white/blue) is not exactly the waterline. It was merely for the looks.

But if you look at the photos of GIS sailing you notice that often the bow bottom will be above water as well as the stern. I think it looks nice if you see two contrasting colors just near the water.

If I remember this correctly, these fab colour designs were what I ordered for the model! The fact that Pete managed to make such a sweet sweaping line between the colours is a testiment to his model building expertise. However I suspect he has fallen in love with the model to the point that it has been finished for over 3 months, but he hasn't "gotten around to make a nice stand for it". Consequently, it has not graced my shelves yet. :(

I reakon, if you go for a walk around a large marina some time, you're most likely to see a colour combination and a design which you'll like. Basically that white on the bottom and slightly up the sides seems a pretty common and traditional yacht design. It would be nice to have a few of the more modern designs with different shades of blue flowing in a twisted pattern down the side, but that requires a pro painter. Might be worth it for a graceful boat like the GIS though.

Mark

[Boatmik]

If Koala could post a bow shot we can think about where to put the paint line. It might be fun to consider...it could make or break the paint job, that is the trick. Mik, could you suggest/draw what a paint line would look like best on a Goat? i.e., how high at bow and stern and we can do a fair curve from there. Often the nicest ones rise at the stem.

Clint

Howdy Clint ... see here
http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=77479

[CCBB]

Thanks guys. I am not even close to this step on the GIS....have not started the GIS! But I am painting my current project and daydream about these things often, especially walking around the boatyards. I row/sail with a guy who has a beautiful 12' skiff that we build...he has a beautiful paint line on his skiff that give it a beautiful, sleek look on the water. He brings the paintline from the transom corner/chine forward gently sweeping up at the stem. Thanks for links to specifics in Dana's bottom paint post. Peter, I think what you did would look great at the full size scale too.

Cheers,
CLint

[CCBB]

Guys, my little guy wants a toy boat for Xmas. So I'd like to do a little goat for my kid....(get it, kid!)

anyway, are there scaled down drawing you could share?

Clint

[koala]

Hi Clint

When I was making the GIS and PDR model boats I used the original Michael's plans, which I scaled down as I was building them.

As both models were 1:10 to original I just divided every measurment with 10 as I was lofting the boats.

1:10 seemed a reasonable size for building and the final size (and also easiest :D), but you can choose whatever scale you think would be best.

Cheers,
Peter

[CCBB]

Thanks, Koala.

Cheers

[Boatmik]

The other way would be to take the ply layout sheet and blow it up on a photocopier. Remember you have to cut some bits oversize (like the bottom in particular)

MIK

[CCBB]

Good idea, Mik. And what about scantlings? I have made only 1/2 hull models before...what thickness wood for the planks? What kind of glue? What is the trick to clamping things together while glue cures. It is funny, I've never built such a small boat...not sure about how to do things at that size.

TX

Clint

[jboats]

Clint,

I have never built a small model before, but I saw recently on the WBF a gentlemen was using clothes pins as clamps. I believe it is this:

http://www.fuegodemar.com/images/coppermine/albums/stuart/normal_P1000118.JPG

Also, what about different sizes of rubber bands?

These both might be totally wrong.

-Jamie

[Boatmik]

Neither am I Clint and Jamie.

Depends a bit on the size of the model. Duckflat here are going to do a quarter size one of the GIS to check that the panels computer cut properly at the place in the city. Better to waste half a sheet rather than 6 sheets of ply!!!

We have chosen 3mm.

You could send a PM by clicking on Koala or Theodor on the membership list for this forum and ask them There is a bit of 1.5mm ply available in OZ ... but it probably doesn't help you guys. could also use balsa sheet.

Michael

[koala]

Hi there

The pegs and rubber bands are on the spot!
That is the cheapest way. You can also get cheaply small spring clamps (miiniature version of those metal or plastic clamps).

Masking tape also works well sometimes.

Iy the model boat is for disply only then just use PVA glue. For some things you might want to use faster drying glue. But normaly pva is fine.

As far as wood goes, it all depends what it is for and what is seen at the end. Remember that model boats are usually for the display only so you can cheat a bit with parts that you cannot see.
For tall shipy models the hull planking strips are ussualy between 1-2mm. If using double planking then first layer is very soft wood 1,5mm (being nailed to the bulkheads) and the second lyer is nice veneer (mahogany, wall nut etc) about 0,5mm.

Also, have a look at the galery, construction and forum for model boats at:
http://forum.drydockmodels.com/index.php

and the gallery (a picture of a skiff), where you can find many other ships and boats:
http://gallery.drydockmodels.com/album74

[CCBB]

masking tape sounds easy, the glue will need to be waterproof since it will be a bathtub toy so maybe 5-minute epoxy. I'll see if the hobby store has thin ply in the length I need.

[CCBB]

Had to order ply and it will come days before Xmas, so I will busy knocking together Oliver's toy boat! Mind you, it will not look nearly as gorgeous as Peter's.

[jboats]

Take pictures please!

[jboats]

Clint - I hope you finished the model of the GIS - I am anxiously awaiting the photos!

Cheers,
Jamie

[Boatmik]

Clint - I hope you finished the model of the GIS - I am anxiously awaiting the photos!

Cheers,
Jamie
Clint ... we were just talking about your model!

MIK