Rocking Headstock

[lubbing5cherubs]

HI I am on the chase. I am prepared to pay for this if I can find someone what i want is a rocking headstrock to place on my lathe that holds the CAMS, You see I got on my ornamental lathe the ability of the vice and router adaptors so what I am looking for is just the headstock like this that I can use to do these "www.ornamentalturners.org" the MDF one with the cams that I can set up on my lathe. Prepared to pay if I can find someone that can help me out. PM me if you think you can help me out
bye Toni

[PsychoPig7]

hi toni
Not quite sure exactly what you are after, but if you can post a piccy or a rough drawing, I could have a look at it for you.
Cheers
Noel :?

[QC Inspector]

Toni

If you go back to the OTI site and look in the Photo Gallery, bottom of the second page, look at Fred's custom Rose Engine ("http://ornamentalturners.org/forum/gallery2.php?g2_page=2") and look at the first picture, Rose4, his headstock sits on a regular lathe bed and pivots on a pair of bearings that sit in the gap of the bed. It can be lifted off if not needed. At the top of his album is a link to his website ( http://ornamentalroseengine.com/rose/rose2/index.htm ) that has pictures of how the lathe is made. ( He also has free drawings of a small portable rose engine too.) You could take Freds bearing on the bed idea ( http://ornamentalroseengine.com/rose/rose2/linear1.php ) and blend it with Jon Magill's MDF headstock design. If you are going to buy Jon's Rosettes you could get the shaft parts at the same time and make your MDF headstock to fit the lathe you have. A couple of bearings and a length of bar stock for the pivot should be available local to you.

[wheelinround]

Hi Toni I haven't abandoned you I spoke to Alf regarding your problem and I am still waiting for the photo's it'll help design what you want, to fit your machine.

Is this to fit your OT lathe or your wood lathe ???? As your pm's and e-mail's to me indicated that you wanted it for your OT lathe.

Its not an overnight build Toni especially if you don't have equipment to turn metal parts such as the main shaft.

What size thread is your chuck??? Its best to have a shaft made thats the same this way you take your turned work still in the chuck and mount it on the Rocking head.

What QC Inspector has indicted on OTI's gallery is similar to what you need either lathe

The rocking headstock here is a Jet Mini (http://themodernrose.com/) which has had a conversion done on it.

You can see Geoff O'Loughlin's plans part 1 here (http://home.vicnet.net.au/%7Epwguild/o-rosego.htm)and Part 2 here (http://home.vicnet.net.au/%7Epwguild/o-rosejl.htm) for the MDF Rose Engine it may be the quickest way to do what you want.

If Alf Jordon sent you up the CD with past newsletters of the OTGA (http://www.pnc.com.au/%7Ek_j/OTGA/) on it then plans are also on it. Have a look at some of the equipment (http://www.pnc.com.au/%7Ek_j/OTGA/Pages/GalleryEquip.htm) all different for different OT work.

Take a look at PsychoPig7's design (http://www.woodworkforums.com/showthread.php?t=76467) its different again to even those we build at OTGA but still does the same thing. I believe this would be ideal for your set up.

[lubbing5cherubs]

HI Psycho. I have sent you a PM in regards to your lathe. Thanks for pointing it out Ray that is something I can use with my girl. I have read lots of plans but I just don't have the knowledge or the know how to build anything like that. Frustration I know but it is the truth with me so I have to aske for help.

Making my lathes into a rocking head stock I am not too keen on that. I could be wrong but would that be asking for trouble to get back into realignment all the time. I think that would be a problem plus my lathe if you see her in person she is beautiful and I don't want to dismantle her to set that up. I could not look at it happening. I know I am a wuzz but I waited a long time for her and I am going to look after her.
I want it for my OT lathe but she is both Ornamental and she is also a normal lathe too. She has both abilities.
bye Toni

[wheelinround]

HI Psycho. I have sent you a PM in regards to your lathe. Thanks for pointing it out Ray that is something I can use with my girl. I have read lots of plans but I just don't have the knowledge or the know how to build anything like that. Frustration I know but it is the truth with me so I have to aske for help.

Making my lathes into a rocking head stock I am not too keen on that. I could be wrong but would that be asking for trouble to get back into realignment all the time. I think that would be a problem plus my lathe if you see her in person she is beautiful and I don't want to dismantle her to set that up. I could not look at it happening. I know I am a wuzz but I waited a long time for her and I am going to look after her.
I want it for my OT lathe but she is both Ornamental and she is also a normal lathe too. She has both abilities.
bye Toni

The last statement Toni means with the steel you can produce the metal parts if it still has thread cutting ability. So we'll see you moving into the metal working section next :rolleyes:.

[lubbing5cherubs]

Hi Ray not sure if it has thread cutting at all. I know it cuts a spiral like legacy.
bye Toni

[wheelinround]

Hi Ray not sure if it has thread cutting at all. I know it cuts a spiral like legacy.
bye Toni


Just a matter of changing the settings Toni

[lubbing5cherubs]

No Settings with her mine legacy is done with a bike sprocket and a bike chain and weights. Have look in photo here
thanks for all your help this is great
http://www.woodworkforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=72088&d=1209272179

[Skew ChiDAMN!!]

That's one of the joys of rose engines.

After you've built (or are half-way through building) one, you decide "I wish I'd thought to add..."

Unfortunately, most of the time it's not just a simple modification and usually means a complete rebuild. eg. when adding a rocking headstock you need to ensure that you don't change the axis of rotation (the points still need to kiss) and if the gearing involves lay shafts, you need to construct it so that those lay-shafts move with the headstock. (Which means added weight, which further means a more robust rocking mechanism... :rolleyes:)

This is one of the reasons my rose engine is still only half bulit. It is constantly being stripped & redesigned. :- With luck, I'll have it finished just in time to turn some fancy roundels to go on my coffin. :sigh:

[wheelinround]

That's one of the joys of rose engines.

After you've built (or are half-way through building) one, you decide "I wish I'd thought to add..."

Unfortunately, most of the time it's not just a simple modification and usually means a complete rebuild. eg. when adding a rocking headstock you need to ensure that you don't change the axis of rotation (the points still need to kiss) and if the gearing involves lay shafts, you need to construct it so that those lay-shafts move with the headstock. (Which means added weight, which further means a more robust rocking mechanism... :rolleyes:)

This is one of the reasons my rose engine is still only half bulit. It is constantly being stripped & redesigned. :- With luck, I'll have it finished just in time to turn some fancy roundels to go on my coffin. :sigh:
:exactly::whs:

Skew :worthless: show us your Rose engine progress

[Skew ChiDAMN!!]

Skew :worthless: show us your Rose engine progress

At this stage, simply imagine an 800x600 sheet of marine ply with a few holes drilled into it, apparently at random. :- I stripped it down when we moved house and am taking advantage of it's "nakedness" to redesign the whole layout.

Yet again. Probably about the fifth time in as many years. :rolleyes:

[wheelinround]

At this stage, simply imagine an 800x600 sheet of marine ply with a few holes drilled into it, apparently at random. :- I stripped it down when we moved house and am taking advantage of it's "nakedness" to redesign the whole layout.

Yet again. Probably about the fifth time in as many years. :rolleyes:

I thought not touching mine was bad enough for 6 months Skew :o:doh: 5 years and agree always a WIP.

[Skew ChiDAMN!!]

I wouldn't feel so bad if I'd manage to get it completed enough to have turned even one single solitary rose on it before redesigning. :-

My mistake was to start googling after I'd first started building, just out of curiosity as to how others were approaching the task. :doh:

The first design was basically just a rocking headstock. Then came the rocking headstock with pistoning drive shaft. Which caused another major re-design about halfway through the build when I realised my original indexing system wouldn't work. Then I decided that I wanted the tool holder to be adjustable in a 5-axis system. (up/down, left/right, in/out and pivoting on the up/down & in/out planes)

And so the drama continues...

[lubbing5cherubs]

Skew I know you have wanted this for so long so i do hope you get it made before then so you can have a play
bye Toni

[wheelinround]

Hey Skew I quote your post (http://www.woodworkforums.com/%22http://www.woodworkforums.com/showpost.php?p=486030&postcount=6)

:oo: how long

[Skew ChiDAMN!!]

It would've been longer, 'cept I ran out of fingers for calculating on. :-

[lubbing5cherubs]

Hey Skew so can we count on you to see it finished over these christmas holidays??
Can I hide yet??
Toni

[wheelinround]

Hey Skew so can we count on you to see it finished over these christmas holidays??
Can I hide yet??
Toni

Toni is going to race Skew in building a Rocking Headstock for a Rose engine this I got to see. :p

Toni shaft is being looked into to see whats in stock and price.

Now have you got a SC and BS and bench drill??

[lubbing5cherubs]

I got a bandsaw, and a drill press but not a scroll saw but I think hubby got a jigsaw if that will work
bye Toni

[wheelinround]

I got a bandsaw, and a drill press but not a scroll saw but I think hubby got a jigsaw if that will work
bye Toni

what about table saw

[lubbing5cherubs]

yes I have a table saw but it scares the pants of me so I sweet talk a hubby to do anything on that for me
bye Toni

[QC Inspector]

http://alisam.com/page/14g9e/Woodworking_turning.html

Even though this is a US site the price for the lathe shaft is very good. Saw one in September at the OTI Symposium. Their index plate is very nice too.

There is another way to do rose work with out a rocking headstock. It was invented a long time ago and uses a rosette to push levers, shafts and bell cranks to move the lathe cross slide with cutter assembly back and forth.

If Toni's lathe has the ability to easily disconnect the lead screws on the cross slide it might be possible to modify it for the rose work.

Might be able to incorporate push/pull cable from a car shifter or the like if there isn't any backlash. That could eliminate all the complex cranks and things.

[wheelinround]

http://alisam.com/page/14g9e/Woodworking_turning.html

Even though this is a US site the price for the lathe shaft is very good. Saw one in September at the OTI Symposium. Their index plate is very nice too.

There is another way to do rose work with out a rocking headstock. It was invented a long time ago and uses a rosette to push levers, shafts and bell cranks to move the lathe cross slide with cutter assembly back and forth.

If Toni's lathe has the ability to easily disconnect the lead screws on the cross slide it might be possible to modify it for the rose work.

Might be able to incorporate push/pull cable from a car shifter or the like if there isn't any backlash. That could eliminate all the complex cranks and things.

This is why I asked Toni for some photo's of the machine better than she has already sent me. I am also waiting for a full set of plans and stuff from president of OTGA.:doh::no: nope still haven't got them

[lubbing5cherubs]

I tried she has not got very good light so not getting much better hubby is going to have a go at if tommmorrow for you. What in particular Ray are you interested in seeing. I really do not want to moderate my headstock I rather fit this in front of it if at all possible.
bye Toni

here are some photos that i have


http://www.woodworkforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=72089&d=1209272179 (http://www.woodworkforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=72089&d=1209272179)

http://www.woodworkforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=72092&d=1209272645

[wheelinround]

Toni I still don't think you need a rocking headstock for this lathe

Oh and great news on getting Con over to help:2tsup:

have you got a pattern or picture of what your wanting to do/achieve using the rocking head ??

[lubbing5cherubs]

http://www.ornamentalturners.org/forum/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=324
is some but that kind of idea
Toni

[wheelinround]

:doh: Ok Toni your not only going to need a Rocking Headstock but also built into it a pumping action along the axis :rolleyes: looking at those photo's

If you want this built to fit to your OT Lathe a lot of dimensions are going to be needed to even just draw/design one to suit.

I think it would be quicker and cheaper to build similar To Geoff O'Lauglins Design (http://home.vicnet.net.au/%7Epwguild/images/o-re1-of.jpg) & No2 (http://home.vicnet.net.au/%7Epwguild/o-rosejl.htm)

[QC Inspector]

:doh: Ok Toni your not only going to need a Rocking Headstock but also built into it a pumping action along the axis :rolleyes: looking at those photo's

The pictures that Toni referred to are made on a rose engine with the headstock rocking across the bed and not along the bed axis. No "pumping" involved.

Her desire to have a separate headstock sitting in front of the one on her existing lathe will do the same as long as she is using a cutting frame rather than a router or Dremel on her cross slide. Even if the centre line of the rose engine shaft is above or below the existing one it won't make any difference as long as the cutting frame in the cross slide can adjust to reach it's centre.

You need to side to side movement if you want to make stuff like these (the wave between top to cup portion).

http://www.ornamentalturners.org/forum/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=2486

http://www.ornamentalturners.org/forum/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=2499

http://www.ornamentalturners.org/forum/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=2502

[lubbing5cherubs]

Hey Ray,
Last night reading plans and that for the Rose engine.
This lathe here at this site (http://www.ornamentalturners.org/assets/articles/MDFConstruction_v6[1].pdf). He sells all the component in a kit form for landed in Australia for $387.95US does this sound extravagent or not a bad price? This includes all the fitting and 2 rossettes the only thing I would have to make is the base and headstock and the pulleys. Does this sound a good deal or very expensive?
Thanks Toni

[wheelinround]

Hey Ray,
Last night reading plans and that for the Rose engine.
This lathe here at this site (http://www.ornamentalturners.org/assets/articles/MDFConstruction_v6%5B1%5D.pdf). He sells all the component in a kit form for landed in Australia for $387.95US does this sound extravagent or not a bad price? This includes all the fitting and 2 rossettes the only thing I would have to make is the base and headstock and the pulleys. Does this sound a good deal or very expensive?
Thanks Toni


He sells all the components in a kit form so what exactly is in the kit :?

[lubbing5cherubs]

HI Ray, the kit includes all the machined parts, 2 rossettes, and all parts and fasteners are included, but the MDF the biscuits and the glue are not included.
bye Toni

[QC Inspector]

Toni
I don't have one of Jon's but saw at least 8 or 9 of the MDF lathes at his place when he generously hosted an OT gathering in the fall of 2007. Some were altered to suit the owners equipment and most were as designed. All worked well and can make beautiful objects. One guy made a pewter escutcheon plate for a doorbell button, showing that it will cut soft metals too.

If you email Jon and tell him what you are wanting to do I'm sure he can give you some ideas on how to use his kit to fit your lathe bed. If I remember correctly extra rosettes are about $25 US each.

He is an honorable guy that will help if he can.