Only artists with a masters degree can create art

**Clinton1** · 3rd March 2007, 10:21 PM

Ah, now I understand... make wide, bold, sweeping and ambiguous statements, and later fall back to specifics to refute any criticism or misinterpretation.
It is a great tactic, used to great advantage in coffee house debates and all the way through to politics, usually accompanied with with the words "oh, well, I would have assumed/thought/surmised....." at a later stage.

I'm not into argument for argument's sake, so I'll bow out.

However....
I think we both know that "Knowledge is power" is an incomplete statement, missing the words "application", and "effect".
Let me expand the statement:
To gain power, you need knowledge, however you then need to apply your knowledge to effect a change in the environment.
Knowledge is a peripheral component of Boyd's OODA loop.... and the aquisition of knowledge is useless without the ability to effectively apply your knowledge.

I assume that you did imply the above.

Have fun!

**Frank&Earnest** · 4th March 2007, 01:28 AM

Thanks Clinton. I appreciate your comments. I do not know whether my statements, wide and bold ok, were indeed ambiguous (they were not meant to be, but that is a subjective judgement) and I carefully tried to avoid (you suggest unsuccessfully) to make them sweeping.

Assuming that your judgement were generally deemed to be correct, alerting me that doing so is a recognised rethoric tactic (I would not know, I have no background in rethoric) is an advice that I am happy to take on board. I will try to gain more knowledge in this field, so that, if I persist in doing it in future, it will be deliberate!

Thanks also for expanding on "knowledge is power". I accept that this statement might lead to your interpretation. Happy to amend it to "knowledge empowers". I was thinking more to Marx than to Boyd, in this context.

I am also aware that we are derailing the thread a bit, so I suggest that we use pms if you wish to extend the discussion.

Cheers
Frank

**silentC** · 5th March 2007, 08:23 AM

All too intellectual for me I'm afraid, Frank me old china.

You seem to know more about what I mean than I do, so I'll leave it with you.

**echnidna** · 5th March 2007, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by silentC

All too intellectual for me I'm afraid, Frank me old china.

You seem to know more about what I mean than I do, so I'll leave it with you.

**Honorary Bloke** · 5th March 2007, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by silentC

All too intellectual for me I'm afraid, Frank me old china.

You seem to know more about what I mean than I do, so I'll leave it with you.

Silent,

I agree with you generally, but I must say, your teacher was right.

**Frank&Earnest** · 5th March 2007, 10:23 AM

Good, it looks like I managed to bore the sawdust out of everybody

.

To apologise, i'll show you my attempt at getting a picture out of wood... and the actual artist is duly acknowledged!

Cheers
Frank

**Frank&Earnest** · 5th March 2007, 10:26 AM

Take 2.

**silentC** · 5th March 2007, 10:39 AM

Well, that's a relief!

**SPIRIT** · 5th March 2007, 10:53 AM

thats better a few picures for us uneducated type

**Frank&Earnest** · 5th March 2007, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by silentC

Well, that's a relief!

Touche'!

**Wongo** · 5th March 2007, 01:58 PM

Like Sam Maloof said, if you make a chair which you cannot sit on then it is art.

**underfoot** · 5th March 2007, 02:23 PM

Hi Folks
I just joined up so I could add my 2bobs worth to this thread.I must admit that the most I expected from a wood carving forum was the perenial power vs handtool arguments, certainly not the robust stoush about art and education etc that Ive been following. It seems that threadstarter nads intention to provoke response has been succesfull.
Being an uneducated carver that teaches fine arts degree students,the whole thing really tickled me.
cheers
ps if someone could give me a hint on how to post an image "Ill show ya me arts"

**willie** · 6th March 2007, 03:32 AM

Originally Posted by silentC

Take the Mona Lisa. If Leonardo showed it to me and said "what do you think?" I would be kind and say "yeah, it's OK mate, but not one of your best".

Ha ha. I love it! (The Mona Lisa but especially your kind words to Leonardo). It might be good you weren't around. If poor old Leonardo was anything like me he probably would have altered or trashed it.

Originally Posted by Frank&Ernest

If a tree falls in the forest, and there is nobody there to hear it, does it still make a sound? I am sure you know the rational answer: it makes sound waves, but no sound until the wave hits a receiver.

I think this quote is a modification of a question posed by Ronnie Corbett.
The original question it seems is,
"If a man is talking in a forest and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong?"

Apologies for my (mild) sexism.

**Honorary Bloke** · 6th March 2007, 04:13 AM

Originally Posted by underfoot

ps if someone could give me a hint on how to post an image "Ill show ya me arts"

First off, welcome to the Forums!

There is a sticky in the Woodwork Forum support section (the last one at the bottom of the main page) that addresses how to attach pics. We love pics, but you may want to start a new thread in Woodcarving so your work doesn't get lost in the shuffle.

**Bob Willson** · 6th March 2007, 05:00 AM

Originally Posted by Wongo

Like Sam Maloof said, if you make a chair which you cannot sit on then it is art.

Or maybe just a cr@p chair.

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