Thread: Pentograph used for wood

Originally Posted by Frank&Earnest

...it appeared that a self respecting "carver" does not use sandpaper, while a "sculptor" can use anything that will produce the desired result.

...you looking for another meaningful discussion, Frank?- actually, sanding was( and still is) used in woodcarving long before somebody decided there was any difference between a woodcarver and a sculptor who works with wood-(carving a sculpture out of wood happens to be NOT a woodcarving,then?).In the vast and noble field of architectural woodcarving sanding is a must, since more often than not the finished work is being painted/gilded.And what about carving with rotary tools? You coud say, that ALL the carving is made by ,well...something close to sanding

Just to stir the pot a bit more, in monumental or architectural work, there are often symmetric elements; portions of altarpieces and coats of arms, for example. Achieving symmetry by eye alone could be dodgy at best. I'm not sure how the linkages would work, but a Duplicarver-type apparatus might be applicable, at least for shaping the opposite-hand blank.

Joe

"INCOMING"

what a load of rocking horse crap it would be like a painter taking a photo and saying look how well l paint .A bandsaw dosn't copy it cuts only where a copy carver well copies

[quote=SPIRIT;743073]what a load of rocking horse crap....../quote]

Would that be "hand carved" rocking horse crap..?? or "machine carved" rocking horse crap..????
Exactly how were the marble blocks quarried or excavated during the Renaissance for the masters to carve/sculpt their pieces??

Is it possible to carve sculpt a block of wood that has NOT been touched by a machine??? to harvest the timber?? to cut the timber to manageable size?? machine tool to remove waste/excess???

is it possible to resolve this without getting horsie "poo" on everyone??? Someone please tell me....Am I a carver or a sculptor??

Originally Posted by mobjack68

Someone please tell me....Am I a carver or a sculptor??

I thought we had already flogged that dead horse...

As I used to say to my children: you can be what you want to be!

Originally Posted by mobjack68

Someone please tell me....Am I a carver or a sculptor??

using power tools or chisels to carve something isn't the issue here MJ
If you create something that is uniquely yours, you get to call yourself whatever you like.

copying something using a duplicarver, makes you a copier or a dupe or something

Originally Posted by underfoot

using power tools or chisels to carve something isn't the issue here MJ
If you create something that is uniquely yours, you get to call yourself whatever you like.

copying something using a duplicarver, makes you a copier or a dupe or something

Undoubtedly. The subtlety here, which I hope is equally clear, is that if you create something that it is uniquely yours and then use a duplicarver to rough out similar items because symmetry or repetition is part of your creative intent, the use of the machine fits in your first scenario, not in the second.

The proof is in the reverse argument. If it were not so, nobody who sculpts a subject already existing in nature could claim to be creative.

now l think everybody should go get a lump of wood and carve a face in it don't make any plans just let yourself go .When l started carving a bit l gave doing woodspirits ago l check out a cool web site that said all wood has a spirit the trick was to get them to show them self to the carver .
I have tried this type of carving many times and enjoy it as you carve you try and make up a story that goes with the spirit you are carving .
So what has this got to with this thread
it feels like that I'm creative when l carve like this

Well all that seemed to scare Pencilneck off! I thought a pantograph was mainly to change the scale of a drawing (or carving), make it proportionally bigger than the original...not to reproduce a multiple of them. Anyway, Pencilneck has either got what he was after, or more than he bargained for!!
My take on this original vs multiple argument is to look at bronze castings. The original, the master, might have been made by the artist in clay, plaster or wood (nowdays could be any number of media). In my view that is the art piece (hands-on item of original work by a talented person), but it is treated as almost a temporary step, a disposable thing with which to (re)create the finished object. This next stage is accomplished by tradesmen, and as skilled as they might be, they aren't the artist or creator. However the finished sculpture in bronze is seen as the artwork, despite the artist possibly not laying a hand on it! And what's more, it is feasible that more than one can be produced, signed perhaps by the artist as a series.
To my point, does that process describe the mass production from an original carving by a Duplicarver? I don't think its far off!!

Cheers

I have this big, 5 axis pantograph in my shed,
I built it a few years ago,
it's a work of art

it was made to produce a short run of pieces that I didn't have the skill to make by hand

Originally Posted by underfoot

I have this big, 5 axis pantograph in my shed,
I built it a few years ago,
it's a work of art

I have seriously considered a pantograph/duplicarver for a while now....NOT to create a finished carving, just to remove as much excess as possible to get down to the good parts....I have long considered myself to be a "wood carver" and in the most basic of terms I am a "chipper"....It would seem that the most of what I make is, of course, chips!!!!
Underfoot...would you consider adding some pictures of your pantograph??? I would love to see it...

If you really wanna have some fun with chip flying....put a carbide tipped router bit in a foredom/flexible shaft handpiece, run that up to about 3,500 rpms....just DON"T turn loose!!! you can remove excess in a real hurry

a pic of the big panto would be interesting

Originally Posted by mobjack68

I have seriously considered a pantograph/duplicarver for a while now....NOT to create a finished carving, just to remove as much excess as possible to get down to the good parts....I have long considered myself to be a "wood carver" and in the most basic of terms I am a "chipper"....It would seem that the most of what I make is, of course, chips!!!!
Underfoot...would you consider adding some pictures of your pantograph??? I would love to see it...

If you really wanna have some fun with chip flying....put a carbide tipped router bit in a foredom/flexible shaft handpiece, run that up to about 3,500 rpms....just DON"T turn loose!!! you can remove excess in a real hurry

and also remove some excess body parts in a real hurry