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12th August 2005, 10:35 AM #1Drunken Artist :P
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Is wood carving the scummy end of wood working
It maybe just me! but i always get the impression from timber supplyers and others in the timber industry that they think wood carving is just a waste of timber, Even most wood supplyers seem to give me attatude when trying to source timber. Am I alone in this?
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12th August 2005, 10:52 AM #2
They are used to dealing with construction and furniture people and are not familiar with artistic woodies. I expect turners may have similar perceptions.
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12th August 2005, 12:43 PM #3
It all depends on where you go. As noted above, most timber suppliers are interested in the building industry dollars, not the art/craft market. I personally go to Brad's Burls at Penshust NSW. In Mexico try here for the Victorian Woodworkers Association list of timber merchants. The Tasweigens have this to say . . . Hope this helps!
Pat
Work is a necessary evil to be avoided. Mark Twain
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12th August 2005, 01:00 PM #4
Same with intarsia ... we don't use enough timber and we take too long to use it!
Cheers
Tikki
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12th August 2005, 01:10 PM #5
You'd be amazed at what you can carve from a roof truss.
Cheers,
Adam
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12th August 2005, 05:48 PM #6Originally Posted by MeTaBo MaN
I am in constant envy of those who have artistic talents.The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
Albert Einstein
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12th August 2005, 05:52 PM #7
Small amounts.. unusual sizes.. they aren't really interested
Have you tried making contact with anyone running a portable sawmill?. They would be able to cut unusual (larger) sizes and may have interesting types of wood. If they know what you are looking for they may be able to cut you short blocks from what is otherwise waste logs.
Other option is to salvage your own wood from local trees, you will need a decent chainsaw and something like an Alaskan sawmill jig, but that will let you cut almost anything you come across into boards / blocks perfect for carving. You are going to have to dry the wood yourself, but air drying is pretty simple and all that you will need. Just takes some time.
Cheers
Ian
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13th August 2005, 09:37 AM #8Drunken Artist :P
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Small amounts.. unusual sizes.. they aren't really interested
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13th May 2006, 10:52 PM #9Novice
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woodcarving timber and tool supplies
Go to Lazarides Timber Agencies ,Big blocks in different species and carving tools and sharpening stones .www.lazaridestimberagencies.com.au
Give them a go .they have about 80+ species of wood including turning stock
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15th May 2006, 02:18 PM #10
I have been beating my head against the wall for several years trying to keep up a continual supply of carving timber .I now have enough to keep me in projects for the next couple of years .
Persist , persist , persist , good carving timber will not suddenly arrive at your shed door .The internet is the perfect place to track down timber .
Couple of years back , I googled ' WHITE BEECHWOOD ' ( a particularly nice wood to carve ) I located several large boards in Pt Macquarie , the boards were 350mm wide X 200mm thick and 1 metre lengths , 8 boards in all .A fair wack of timber for not a lot of outlay .
Make a goodwill contact at a timber yard or sawmill , so if anything of interest comes in you will be the first to know . However , NOT ALL timbers are suitable to carve and you will probably pay a good price for a block of a good size and specie .I quite often have friends and rellies tell me they have found a lump of timber for me .More often than not , the wood is rubbish BUT every now and then a pearler piece turns up . So keep the friends ands rellies onside !!Contact the local tree lopping services in your area , a mate of mine scored a truck load of mango , simply by bunging the tree lopper a six pack .
Our desert hardwoods are great for decorative additions on carvings but you seldom find them in blocks large enough to do a large bust etc , and besides our hardwoods , are rarely without checks and flaws and they are a FAIRCOW to carve !!A couple of years back , I needed a specific timber which was only available from the US , so I imported 2 blocks , no problem .Here is a list of some of the better woods to carve :
White beechwood ( local)
White beechwood ( Solomon Islands)
Chilean Myrtle
Red Cedar
Qld Walnut
Qld Maple
American Hickory
English Limewood
Tupelo Gum ( US)
Tas Myrtle .
Blackheart Sassafras
Huon Pine .
Fruitwood ( pear , apple are VG , cherry is good too )
French Boxwood ( very good for fine detail but hard too get now )
If you find a salesperson , disdainful of woodcarving , politely remind them ,that a carver of the Calibre of Don Powell , regularly sells his carvings for several thousands of dollars .One in particular that sold for approx $18,000.00 which was carved out of several different timbers that would not amount to more than a couple of coffee table legs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
regards
Veebull
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25th June 2006, 03:49 PM #11Novice
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well i for one have never looked on woodcarving as the scummy end of the wood chain as myself and my father spent many a year in the saw mill end of wood in the late 50's,and like many timbermen,most have a deep appreciation as to what can be carved or found in the "Chunk"of wood,I find that if i take a few photos of what i carve,it helps.
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27th June 2006, 12:58 AM #12
Scummy end.... You have got to be joking, it's the pinnacle, at the pointy end.
Timber yards don't as a rule think that woodcarving is a waste of timber. They are however extremely likely to think that a woodcarver is a waste of their time. It is not uncommon for a carver to pull all the timber out of the racks looking for the perfect piece then ask for 600mm to be cut off for them from a 4 mt length and top it off by complaining about the price.
Timber yards aren't all that interested unless you are buying a fair swag of timber. I often used to buy many hundreds of $'s worth of exotic timbers to be used for furniture carving and in classes. Because of this I never had a problem.
The scummy end of woodworking? I paid $2,500 + $1,200 air freight for a piece of Hon pine to carve the 3 coats of arms for the Vic Supreme Courts and many thousands of $'s for mahogany and blackwood for the carvings in the ANZ bank complex in Melb. These 2 jobs, on todays rates would be worth well over $150,000. The scummy end of woodworking. I think not.
Cheers - Neil
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25th April 2018, 05:33 PM #13Novice
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Dont know what you mean by scummy but at 80 years plus i still manage to pick scummy paying work .
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25th April 2018, 08:14 PM #14GOLD MEMBER
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Yep, I think the perception is that there is no market there. Add to this the fact that they probably realise that woodcarving is a dying art. It doesn’t appeal to millenials and Gen Ys, who are into instant gratification and not psychologically attuned to spending months of effort acquiring new skills with very little to show for it. Mostly it’s us Boomers who are interested and we’re not necessarily the group people want to build markets around.
I used to belong to Sydney Woodcarvers group and every week a new person would turn up hoping to take up carving. I never once saw one of them come back for a second week. I guess it took one evening for them to realise they weren’t going to be a master carver in a few weeks.
Hence no one importing or marketing woodcarving timber.
Fortunately I like having esoteric skills so it doesn’t matter to me.Apologies for unnoticed autocomplete errors.
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25th April 2018, 09:16 PM #15
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