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23rd January 2013, 11:56 AM #1SENIOR MEMBER
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Accuracy - Any good general tips or hints or web sites
Hello,
Was wondering how other people approach making accurate cuts.
If I am making some sort of 3d object and I make relatively small errors in my cuts then by the time I have either "gone round a loop or a carcass" or gone around a few 90 degree bends in different orthogonal directions then I find that bits dont quite meet up with other bits and things arent quite square.
I try to be as accurate as possible in my cuts but I can mess something up - it seems to me there are 2 issues
1. How do I organise myself top make measurements and cuts as accurately as possible ?
2. Ways of correcting or even hiding things - for example - I noticed when I was owner builder of my house that I could hide a poorly cut plaster edge with the final architraves and skirting boards - ie the very last thing done is the most visible and needs to be perfect but the stuff underneath has some "slack"
Any good general tips or threads or web sites or hints for measuring and making accurate cuts when doing normal jobs in the shed ?
ie use of story sticks instead of rulers ?
empirical measuring rather than using a tape measure or ruler - ie take the thickness directly off a piece of timber rather than measure thickness (possible error) and then mark up using ruler ( another possible error) ?
use of a marking knife or gauge rather than a pencil ? How many people do this ?
use of jigs to make all relevant pieces the same length, width, holes in the same place etc
I often think to myself things like "cut so that you can still see the edge of the pencil line"
How do the rest of you organise yourselves to be as accurate as possible ?
Regards
Bill
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23rd January 2013, 03:46 PM #2
Hey Bill,
i too have been keen to make accurate cuts with the existing equipment i have, At this stage i dont have any of the really accurate gear on my table saw by the likes of Incra so i work with what i have and measure twice and cut once!
I started with a tape measure (which still has its uses but i have learn to use it in a different way but now i have a variety of steel rules to use on different size projects along with some marking knives and also marking gauges. It depends on what i am trying to build to whether i bother with a fine level of accuracy. I obviously try to be accurate all the time but if im making a storage bin for my off cuts i don't care if i use a pencil or not where as if i'm making a coffee table or something ill use a marking knife.
Unfortunately i haven't been able to hide my mistakes in woodworking like i have before with plastering walls so i try to measure 2 or even 3 times and take into account the kerf of the blade i am cutting with so its accurately cut to the length i need.
Jigs are a great way to make accurate repeated cuts but aside from my cross cutting sled jig on my table saw i haven't made too many for any other tools, i just take my time to measure rather than making a jig. Everyone has their own style and method of working so other people would disagree with this.
I have also invested in better quality basic set of tools such as my first square turned out not to be square at all once i purchased my combination square. Also my marking knife or marking gauge is a lot more accurate than my pencil when its sharp.
I havent been taught by anyone though so i am not 100% sure if i do things the "correct" way according to a carpenter or cabinet maker but it works for me and i have just read books that i have purchased from amazon or skillspublish as they sell relevant Australian books so far so good.
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23rd January 2013, 04:02 PM #3Senior Member
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I'm currently locked out of my shed (long story, but basically it's full of furniture) so this is something I plan to do too.
Make a Bench Hook and/or Shooting Board. If you have a sharp handplane, you can cut timber as squarely as possible by handsaw or power tool and finish with your shooting board. Provided your shooting board is built/set up accurately and your handplane is sharp you will finish your stock very square and your parts should all fit nicely.
If you're interested in looking at making a shooting board or how they work look for posts by Derek Cohen. I am still to make one but will when my shed is available !
Setting Up and Using a Shooting Board
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23rd January 2013, 04:06 PM #4
Accurate marking out with a marking knife. Making sure your square is square. Working from a datum.
Application of these principles will always produce a more accurate result.
Cheers
BevThere ain't no devil, it's just god when he's drunk!!
Tom Waits
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23rd January 2013, 04:22 PM #5
Ozziespur this is such a good little website.. good work
In The Woodshop
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23rd January 2013, 08:13 PM #6
Sometimes, even with accurate machinery, you still have to fight for accuracy.
Cheers, Bill
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23rd January 2013, 08:38 PM #7
One thing is for sure! is that squareness and accuracy does not happen by accident. When marking out slow your brain down,do not rush this will allow you to focus and concentrate on the job at hand. Accurate lay-out tools make life easier.
Cheers,
Frank.
In trying to learn a little about everything,
you become masters of nothing.
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24th January 2013, 12:03 AM #8China
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Practice and diligence all you need
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24th January 2013, 07:13 AM #9well aged but not old
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Accuracy:Six things that really help
The accuracy of my work increased with the following improvements.
1. Use a good quality marking knife. I use this one all the time. I use a Pfeil marking knife for every cut and every mark.
2. Get a good marking or cutting gauge to transfer measurements. I use Veritas dual marking gauge.
3. For really accurate measuring I use an Incra ruler.
4. Make sure the lighting over your work area is very good by installing an adjustable work light over your bench. You can move the light around to remove the inevitable shadow that comes whenever and wherever you want to mark a line. There is not much point in trying to measure accurately in a shadow. I use this one
5. For really critical measurements I use Vernier calipers.
6. Know when to stop work and go inside. Sometimes I get into a sort of cutting frenzy and forget to take regular breaks. A tired wood worker will not be accurate.My age is still less than my number of posts
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24th January 2013, 07:26 AM #10
All great advice.
From me - Start from a reference side, mark that reference, and begin all measurements from there.
If you do use a pencil - keep it sharp, if you use a knife - after you have marked up, run a pencil in the mark to make it easier to see.
Practice. Try a couple of different methods to see what suits best.
If you use jigs, check before you commit - sometimes things move - especially if you haven't used that jig for a while.
At the end of the day, when the sun goes down, your markups may be as accurate as hell, but if you haven't set-up your gear properly or practiced with the hand tools enough - it won't matter.
CheersCan you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can? -- Sun Tzu
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24th January 2013, 10:58 AM #11SENIOR MEMBER
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To better your chances of things working out right use the same measure all the time,not all tapes read the same.
If you use calipers to measure then transfer to your layout using a tape or rule use the same one for the whole of that job,then any error will be the same throughout.
Cutting square etc is a must so check your saws and tune to make correct.
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24th January 2013, 12:28 PM #12GOLD MEMBER
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Accuracy does not grow, but inaccuracy does and there in lies the problem.
The tips already given will help to overcome small inaccuracies and in many cases, major stuffups. One area that has not come into discussion is the importance of good eye sight. The human brain is remarkable in its ability to compensate, but when it comes to accuracy, a trip to the optomotrist can work wonders. Says he after two corneal grafts and lens implants. I can even find the shed now.
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24th January 2013, 02:07 PM #13
accuracy is inversely proportional to the level of denial that you need glasses
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