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29th August 2013, 10:15 AM #1New Member
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I am sure this is a stupid question... but :
Hello to all. I am not completely new at woodworking but lately I am asking myself a very basic question.
When I cut something with whatever saw, I always account the blade thickness as not being part of the cut. What I mean is that I disgard everything from one side of the blade.
My question is : Will it be smarter to cut right ON the line more than left or right of it ? I am really wondering about that.
Thanks for your answers.
Philippe. (The dumb canadian)
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29th August 2013, 11:02 AM #2
There is no such thing a dumb canadian. Just a canadian will do.
Oh to your question. No and just be a bit more careful.Visit my website at www.myFineWoodWork.com
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29th August 2013, 11:57 AM #3
Bonjour Philippe,
Bon ton rouleaux! You live in a hotbed of contemporary luthiery and traditional music, lucky you! My advice is the same I was given when I started to play the fiddle......." saw away till you get it right. "Cheers, Bill
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29th August 2013, 01:00 PM #4
I always cut just on the outside of the line this allows for any blade wobble, out of square fences and any other gremlins that finds their way into the slice and dice process. This way also leaves enough waste over to clean up the edge and plane to finished size.
Cheers
Steve
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29th August 2013, 01:58 PM #5
Hi Philippe,
The answer to your question is the same as it is for all good questions ...... it depends!
A normal power saw blade is about 3mm thick and a thin kerf power saw blade is 1.6mm so, if you ignore the thickness of the blade, you can be up to 3mm too long or too short. If you are building a house or a packing case, then +/-1,5 mm is probably OK BUT, if you are making furniture, or more importantly fine furniture or boxes, then +/- 1.5 mm is the difference between a good job and a bad job.
For example if you are making a mitred picture frame, even a very big one, a 1.5mm difference in length means that the mitres will never join up!
If you are using a handsaw, and like most of us you are NOT a zen master of handsawing, then the 1,6mm blade thickness (for a western saw) will cut a 2mm kerf and, likewise, that will be OK for a house or packing case but......
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29th August 2013, 04:34 PM #6GOLD MEMBER
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The marked line is a reference, once removed, you no longer have a reference and any inaccuracies must be determined by other means ie try square or fit up. Both of which may not be possible or inconvenient at the time.
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29th August 2013, 10:42 PM #7
I would tend to cut beside the line if I am cutting to a certain distance. Then sneak up to the line depending on what and how I am working.
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29th August 2013, 10:52 PM #8
I cut on the waste side of the line.
If the cut surface is not going to be planed/filed/sanded or reworked in any way, I try to position the saw on the waste side of the line with the edge of the cut running right down the middle of the line.
If the cut surface is going to be reworked, I leave a little bit & then rework up to the line.Cliff.
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30th August 2013, 10:22 AM #9SENIOR MEMBER
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sneaking up
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30th August 2013, 04:42 PM #10Banned
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When I did my original cabinet making course at college, we were taught that you could cut a piece of wood three ways, to the left of the pencil line, to the right, or down the middle of it.
For hours we had to draw pencil lines down pieces of 6x1 and hand saw just kissing the pencil line, all the way down.
It's still my party trick, though it takes a certain type to be impressed.
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30th August 2013, 11:49 PM #11New Member
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Way back at school, my good old woodwork teacher used to say, "Cut on the waste side of the line boy!"
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31st August 2013, 01:55 PM #12
Good Morning Prostin
I used to try and cut on the waste side of the line but often found that my line wobbled, so I just accepted that it was routine to finalise surfaces on a shooting board. Then I discovered Paul Sellers method (about 60 seconds into the short video) and now use it for most precision cuts. Also found many references to the technique going back at least 150 years, so its not new, just partly forgotten. Still use the shooting board for really precise stuff, but much less.
Paul Sellers cuts a mortise and tenon joint by hand, in oak - YouTube
Fair Winds
Graeme
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