Thread: Anthony Robbins vs. WWWS

Originally Posted by Rookie

I certainly browse every Op Shop I come across and buy quite a few things from them. Books, kitchen gadgets and old tools are among the favourites, but unfortunately Op Shops with old tools are very scarce.

You won't find old tools at the one I work as I see them first.


Peter.

This thread will be closed after Rusty has made his comment about his findings.

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Just wanted to reply once more before its closed.

But I want to get the last word in............... last word

Rookie, good analysis. Yes, it all comes back to motivating ourselves. In my particular example (Landmark Forum), there was nothing being "promoted" as such. No CD's / Tapes etc. It was just a three day discussion with mostly audience in-put regarding an approach to understanding human behaviour. Mainly our own. No rah rah hype. And it was up to individuals to take on board whatever insights were gained.

Richard

Whenever you are invited to a talk in a stadium, think twice. We all know what thousands of people in a stadium can do to you. You feel fired up, you feel encouraged, you feel “how can all these people be wrong?” and you want to be part of it.

If you’ve been to a basketball match, a football match or a big concert then you will know what I am talking about.

That would be twice more before it's closed Wongo.



Okay....going now

Originally Posted by Richardwoodhead

Rookie, good analysis. Yes, it all comes back to motivating ourselves. In my particular example (Landmark Forum), there was nothing being "promoted" as such. No CD's / Tapes etc. It was just a three day discussion with mostly audience in-put regarding an approach to understanding human behaviour. Mainly our own. No rah rah hype. And it was up to individuals to take on board whatever insights were gained.

Richard

Richard, I had a friend who started going to those Landmark courses and I cant say I liked the change in her personality that resulted.....she started going on at me about all the defects in my personality and how a landmark course would cure the defects. I also found she had become decidedly more arrogant and less tolerant to others who didn't happen to share her views.

If you do some background reading/surfing on Landmark youll come up with some disturbing stuff.

It might have worked for you but for people of a certain psychological disposition these course can be quite detrimental if not dangerous.

Cheers Martin

Originally Posted by Wongo

Whenever you are invited to a talk in a stadium, think twice. We all know what thousands of people in a stadium can do to you. You feel fired up, you feel encouraged, you feel “how can all these people be wrong?” and you want to be part of it.

If you’ve been to a basketball match, a football match or a big concert then you will know what I am talking about.

Or one of Hitlers rallies. Mass hysteria is a powerful and dangerous thing in the wrong hands.

That's just like any religion, isn't it? You get converted to it then spend the rest of your time fretting over friends and family members who haven't seen the light. That's when you become a real pest.

I've got friends who've done the Landmark thing. They're on the verge of a break up and this course is supposed to bring them closer together. All I heard when I was there after they'd been to a session (got home around midnight I think) was how his problem was x and it's caused by y and she does too much of 'this' because her mother made her do 'that' when she was young. All too much for me I'm afraid. Let bygones be bygones I reckon.

A friend of mine and his wife used to be diamond members in Amway. They had a conference in Indonesia and they arrived to the stadium in a helicopter. They landed in the middle of the ground and people were cheering and screening endlessly. They gave talks and inspired each other. They still have the video and it is pretty amazing I must say.

They are no longer members and have not said a word positive about the organisation.


On the other hand, my sister once came home with 3 big boxes of shampoo. She had 3 months to sell them.





My hairs were consistently clean for 12 months.

Originally Posted by Wongo

On the other hand, my sister once came home with 3 big boxes of shampoo. She had 3 months to sell them.

Reminds me of a friend who's busy doing her best to lose all her friends by giving them the hard sell on Nuways products. Last time I saw her she looked at my balding head and remarked that I needed to buy some "second chance" shampoo. She then went on to try and sell some overpriced multivitamins and other cr*p to my friends sister who is terminally ill with ovarian cancer.....she stopped short of telling the girl it would cure her cancer. The ends people will go to for a quick sale.....just coincidental that this same girl has been to more than one motivational lecture.

Originally Posted by silentC

All I heard when I was there after they'd been to a session (got home around midnight I think) was how his problem was x and it's caused by y and she does too much of 'this' because her mother made her do 'that' when she was young. All too much for me I'm afraid. Let bygones be bygones I reckon.

You dont need to go to a Landmark lecture to work out that for men 99% of their problems are caused by their mothers and for women 99% of their problems can be tracked back to their fathers

I think we are confusing muilti-level marketing as defined originally by Tupperware, refined by Amway and used by all these vitamin, personal care people with the Seppo sales/motivational 'seminar'.

I agree, MLM is an awful practice. Before losing your friends you play on their goodwill and manners, loading them up with crap and enriching yourself (and your masters) in the process. Many 'marketing/canvassing' companies have this practice of abusing people's politeness. Example: telemarketers who call in the evening.

Equally awful are the Robbins/Hopkins wank fests.

They are, however, different. Although manifestations of the same, American, disease which we seem to be, ever more avidly, embracing.