Thread: Anthony Robbins vs. WWWS

Originally Posted by Tools

If I went into a thread about say woodturning tools,and said that brand X woodturning chisels (if that is what they are called) are crap,do you not think it would be reasonable that I had some experience with brand X turning chisels?

Not necessarily, for you could have bad experiences with similar generic type of chisels that might have come from the same factory but branded different. Similarly I might have experienced one type of snake oil man and as such I can comment on others of that ilk.

.Could you say that you don't like the taste of a particular vegetable without ever trying it? Could you base your assessment on the fact that this particular vegetable is green,and you don't like brussel sprouts which are green, so therefore you don't like this one you have never tried?????

Yes I can and I do, just ask my wife . The fact that I have conservative food tastes means I won't even bother to try certain foods, apart from brussells sprouts which I do like,much to the disappointment of my wife. Similarly I can and do comment on snake oil merchants without having met all of them.

On the other hand, Rusty will be qualified to make an assessment,because he has experienced it. If he likes it or thinks it is all hyped up crap,then at least he has the experience to back his statements up.

Again that is an assumption which hasn't been proven. Whether he may or may not be able to make an assessment will depend on his attention at these sessions. Just attending may not be enough.

In any case Rusty is no longer the issue here but the way you are critizising everyone else for their alledged objectivity is the issue. You are assuming no one can have an opinion without experiencing it, yet you are not prepared to explain your experiences.

Your lack of explanations makes me wonder if you are one yourself.


Peter.

Ive read and listened to Tony Robbins tapes and books Tools I never went to one of his seminars or "camps"... same same as any of the prolific "motivational" speakers out there (funny how most seem to be yanks eh? not a critism just an observation) Ive been to quite a few over the years but not specifically Tony however having said that and having read and listened to his words...They tell the same story as the many others in that they all tell the same story which you should already know within yourself just couched in different word usage and presentation... same same... its actually boring as hell if you really stop and pay attention and each different presenter presents the same crap again and again... why? CAUSE IT SELLS!! thats the bottom line MONEY... yours!... create a formula that people go for and stick with it again and again... so that you can do it in your sleep so every question has its answer couch it in smooth talking enthusiasm positive affirmation words and well would yer look at that!! theyre all are the same... amazin eh? no its what gets the punter in to pay for the ticket to buy the extras (meal private one on one etc) to buy the books tapes videos etc to generate their income!

To say that the real estate industry isnt rife with crooks is just plain rediculous... how many are the houses that real estate agents show that need major reno work but they say "it needs tlc"? how many are they that present a house with a known high flood level but say its "wonderful creek outlook"? the fact is theyre out for a buck the bigger buck the more "professional prestige" one of the more obvious ways is the more they tap these jokers the more they have their books tapes and other "aids to success" the more they appear successfull... thats a reality Ive experienced first hand... the to me stupid thing was that these people continue to flock to these "motivational seminars" "life changing bootcamp" whatever else they want to term them to learn what? What they should and do already know!!

Its about show... show your successfull... dress present appear successful and success will come...

Is Tony Robbins good at what he does? bloody oath he is!! too right!... hes had success cases just as Amway has but does that mean hes the ducks knuts? does that mean that one cant do the needed changes to ones life without such people? NO it doesnt one can change ones life and become successful without anyone like Tony Robbins dictating how they can for a one off fee of $xxxx change their lives... gift of the gab combined with the ability of the power of pursuasion and power of positive thinking combine that with a good overdose of self centred egotism and you have motivational speaker extradinaire ala Tony Robbins

I said dont go... yep sure did cause of my experience of these programs and seminars... I also offered rusty another alternative to going... go see the sights of Sydney... I also said you would spend money... thats the end note of it all MONEY! that is all these people are after is YOUR MONEY... is that cynical? Yes is it based on fact and experience YES... having experienced first hand myself and through clients in my previous work as a counsellor the pain these bastards create in peoples lives with their bullshyte hype bluster and "motivation" I try to warn others to beware... thats all

You had a good experience? well good on yer! I also know that there are those within Amway who say they have good experiences too... but it translates into shyte when reality sets in... its a con meant to con the gullible into believing such people as Tony Robbins has the answers to lifes questions for everyone... an impossibility by the way... AT A COST!... yes a huge financial cost... maybe rusty will come back an say "WHAAAAAAAHOOO what a rip! yous blokes are all wrong Tony Robbins is the best thing since sliced bread" maybe... maybe he will sign up for all the "courses" "programs" and books tapes videos dvds that he churns out... but maybe he wont

Either way... rustys choice... personally I simply gave him a warning and an option is all he takes it goodoh if he doesnt goodoh again no skin of my nose but at least Ive warned and given a choice... better to be part of the cure than part of the problem I say forwarned is forarmed as my gran used to say

Cheers!

Ive been to quite a few over the years but not specifically Tony however having said that and having read and listened to his words...They tell the same story as the many others in that they all tell the same story which you should already know within yourself just couched in different word usage and presentation... same same...

You know he is the same because you have some experience of Robbins.Without that experience,you would only be assuming.

To say that the real estate industry isnt rife with crooks is just plain rediculous...

I didn't say that.I said that because there is one bad apple,or two or however many,it doesn't mean they are all bad.

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oes that mean that one cant do the needed changes to ones life without such people? NO it doesnt one can change ones life and become successful without anyone like Tony Robbins dictating how they can for a one off fee of $xxxx change their lives...

I agree


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said dont go... yep sure did cause of my experience of these programs and seminars... I also offered rusty another alternative to going... go see the sights of Sydney... I also said you would spend money... thats the end note of it all MONEY! that is all these people are after is YOUR MONEY... is that cynical? Yes is it based on fact and experience YES...

You have had experience and formed your opinion on the back of that.I haven no problem with that.

You had a good experience? well good on yer!

I didn't say I had any experience with him!

maybe rusty will come back an say "WHAAAAAAAHOOO what a rip! yous blokes are all wrong Tony Robbins is the best thing since sliced bread" maybe... maybe he will sign up for all the "courses" "programs" and books tapes videos dvds that he churns out... but maybe he wont

I suspect the latter will probably be the case.And yes,Robbins does try to get you to buy his books/tapes/courses/whatever while you are hyped up.That is why he is as rich and successful as he is.

Not necessarily, for you could have bad experiences with similar generic type of chisels that might have come from the same factory but branded different. Similarly I might have experienced one type of snake oil man and as such I can comment on others of that ilk.

So you would then have some knowledge of the factory toknow that there are different brandings.How do you kno wwhat "factory" Robbins comes from?


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es I can and I do, just ask my wife . The fact that I have conservative food tastes means I won't even bother to try certain foods, apart from brussells sprouts which I do like,much to the disappointment of my wife. Similarly I can and do comment on snake oil merchants without having met all of them.

You won't bother to try,so you are then just assuming.

Again that is an assumption which hasn't been proven. Whether he may or may not be able to make an assessment will depend on his attention at these sessions. Just attending may not be enough.

Did I read that correctly??????You are saying that just attending may not be enough to form an assessment??????My whole argument has been about having some subject knowledge to form an assessment,and you say that the man in the hot seat in front of Robbins may not have enough info to form an assessment??????What does that say about everyone else who know nothing at all about him,or what does that say about Rusty?????

n any case Rusty is no longer the issue here but the way you are critizising everyone else for their alledged objectivity is the issue. You are assuming no one can have an opinion without experiencing it, yet you are not prepared to explain your experiences.

Your lack of explanations makes me wonder if you are one yourself.

As I said earlier,my experience with experience of Robbins is a non event to my argument.But seeing as you continue to ask,I have seen him,in the same 4 day seminar that Rusty is at this weekend.I went there with an open mind,not knowing much about him,but willing to listen.It is true of many things in life that you only get out of it what you put in to it.If you make a half arsed effort on your latest woodwork project,then that will be the result.

Tools you dont read carefully enough. I said "talks, get rich quick schemes etc". As in many different types of seminars with different purposes.

All I said was that robbins is not a get rich quick scheme,for those reading this that know nothing of him.

Again you still wont tell what your experience is.

Done,now if you all could do the same,I would appreciate it.

We all gain some of our knowledge through others experiences. Parents would be obvious example. Another if a bricklayer tells me to bounce the trowel to have the mortar stick and I tell you the same thing, is it useless info until I've tried it myself.

I agree.How many people have said here that they know someone who has experienced Robbins?????

But given what I've read here, Im talking to brick wall.

Good work...if you can't attack the ball,then attack the man

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o I think your wrong, one can establish an hypothesis through a number of different means. Observation is only one. And even then observation can be misleading. You are saying that one can not criticise/lambast/terrorise Senor Robbins merely because they haven't seen him in real life. Surely you don't create your judgements from things that you have only ever experienced your self? The ultimate fence sitter. Where do you sit on Killer Whales? Would you swim with one merely because you haven't seen one eat something in real life? How about Adolf Hitler? Was what he presided over, not worthy of judgement just because you didn't witness it? Did Albert Einstein have to see a nuclear reaction to be able to predict it?

I agree,but I never said you had to see him live to know something of him.Wild Dingo hasn't seen him live,but has read and listened to his tapes.Killer whales??Well we all have some knowledge on them from what we have learned at school or at the museum or wherever.But we know something about them!Hitler...ditto.Most people have knowledge to some degree and can form an opinion.How many people on here know anything about Robbins and this weekend?

On another issue, I should point out that whilst I am one of the ones sticking the slipper into Mr Robbins, I do have to respect Rusty's decision to seek advice, and then bite the bullet and go, in the face of all the criticism!!

Good on him.I admire him for going too.He will get out of it what he puts in to it.

I can tell you much of what he will say when he gets back.Let's see how I go.

Lots of jumping around.
Lots of hugging and things that put people out of their comfort zone.
HAd the opportunity to walk barefoot along a 5m bed of hot coals (how many would have the balls to do that without some coaching?)
Lots of buy this now before it sells out talk.This is where he can form his own opinion and buy or not.
Lots of things that make you think.
To the person that said the experience of friend was that Robbins was on the stage for half an hour...my experience.Friday 4pm till 1am.Saturday 9.30 am to 11 pm.Sunday 10am to 9pm.Monday was taken by another guy.There are no meal or other breaks in his presentation.He did all those hours non stop.ie without any breaks at all.Not bad I reckon.
Lots of rah rah rah

If Rusty has gone with an open mind and participates to the fullest,he will probably find it an emotional ride.

As for my opinion of it all,well I thought a lot of it was self selling and hype.But some of it made me stop and think.It wasn't life changing by any stretch of the imagination,but I wouldn't say it was a waste of time either.
It was expensive and exhausting,but I got out of it what I put in to it.

Tools

Wow

G'day Tools,

Sounds like you worship the guy. Go and kiss his coat tails whatever, I'd rather stay clear of his drivel and hype . Each to their own but not in my world.

Originally Posted by Tools

He coaches many high profile people,and they are not people that you would think of as gullible and uneducated.
Tools

My ten cents worth,

Just because a high profile person uses a product or a service doesnt necessarily mean its the bees knees. Look at all the famous people who think Scientology is the best thing since sliced bread, famous cricketers swearing a certain company restored their hair to its former glory and past their use by date fashion models exorting the merits of a particular brand of toilet paper on the TV...the list goes on.

Robbins is a motivator and he's good at what he does but his product doesn't work for every body...only for people with a particular psychological profile..this is something that you don't see mentioned in the showy advertising for Robbin's products.

My personal impression of Robbins and others like him.....it's generally been my experience that people who talk loudly and don't allow a few seconds of silence in between sentences to allow others to take part in the conversation aren't generally good communicators.

G'day Kiwigeo,

Well said! Hear hear. And if he charges $5,000 for it, well that just reinforces what we're all saying.

Originally Posted by Waldo

I'll eat my jointer if it's not the case, but let's wait to hear from Rusty.

And I'll slice my self into 1cm cubes on my bandsaw.

I dont play the man, just the ball. I've defended people on this forum for no reward where I felt it was necessary. I speak my mind without trying to offend.

If I called you a black, yellow, ugly so and so. That is playing the man. When I comment on your attitude (as displayed in your responses) I think Im playing the ball.

When I referred to the brickwall, it was due to your unresponsive answers to many posts, including my own. You are convinced you're right and have made that quite clear. Most here do not share your opinion.

When I gave you the bricklayer example, you immediately say; well no one said that they spoke to someone who went to a Robbins lecture. The purpose of the example was to disprove your theory, vis a vis no direct experience etc. Hence, my brickwall comment seems to be spot on.

You said All I said was that robbins is not a get rich quick scheme,for those reading this that know nothing of him."

No, you quoted me before you said this. It was not a general comment for the benefit of all. Misreading is not uncommon and some might have read my comments that way as well. Why couldn't you just say that? I know the answer and I see it all the time by people who are caught out. They are the responses one would expect from a biased person.

It was obvious from the start that you have been an attendee (some would say victim) of the Robbins seminar. From what I read, that fact clouded your mind when replying to most the posts. Defending your own decision to attend I'd say.

Now that you have finally outlined your experiences with Robbins, most would say that their uninformed opinions about people of his ilk being snake oil salesmen are now slightly more informed, but unchanged I would say. He is not the first or last of his kind.

I have no experience with Robbins, but of all the ones I have attended(3 to date), they all asked for my money in some form.

Now dont be offended by what I am saying. It is just my opinion which just happens to be the converse of yours.

Anyone else thinking troll??

G'day Corbs,

Who knows, but we all have strong feelings concerning some issues.

Me, I just want to learn from guys who can help me do things better.

Guys,
I think there is ONE thing we all agree on ....

We have NO TIME or (money) for that matter, for -
...
SNAKE OIL SALESMEN
...

IMHO Robbins is just one of them.
A good mate of mine in Sydney almost worhips the guy. Even walked on hot burning coals at one of his circus shows (makes one wonder ...)

Les

I dont play the man, just the ball. I've defended people on this forum for no reward where I felt it was necessary. I speak my mind without trying to offend.

saying you are talking to a brick wall is your idea of playing the ball?????

When I gave you the bricklayer example, you immediately say; well no one said that they spoke to someone who went to a Robbins lecture. The purpose of the example was to disprove your theory, vis a vis no direct experience etc. Hence, my brickwall comment seems to be spot on.

If you look back at all my posts in this thread,I asked what experience people had of Anthony Robbins.There was very little experience of anykind forthcoming.

Well said! Hear hear. And if he charges $5,000 for it, well that just reinforces what we're all saying.

He doesn't charge that.I don't think even the most expensive seats are anywhere near that.
G'day Tools,

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ounds like you worship the guy. Go and kiss his coat tails whatever, I'd rather stay clear of his drivel and hype . Each to their own but not in my world

HArdly.I went once to see what it was all about.I didn't buy any tapes or books or further courses,nor do I have any intention to.That in itself says something.I did say also that it was a lot of hype and self selling and in no way life changing.doesn't sound liek worship to me.I haven't said anything more positive than it wasn't a waste of time,and the rest you have assumed.And as I keep saying,my original post was not about Robbins at all,just about how opinions had been formed without knowing anything about the man.I have said the same as you numerous times...each to their own!

Just because a high profile person uses a product or a service doesnt necessarily mean its the bees knees. Look at all the famous people who think Scientology is the best thing since sliced bread, famous cricketers swearing a certain company restored their hair to its former glory and past their use by date fashion models exorting the merits of a particular brand of toilet paper on the TV...the list goes on.

I agree.But Robbins doesn't have these people spruik for him nor do they act as any reference for him.They are not paid as cricketers and models are to pretend a product is fantastic.


I suspect that when Rusty returns and files his report that you will all jump down my throat and say here is our experience.How many will remember the life changing experience it was for Steve from JApan?

Anyone else thinking troll??

Hardly.If you have read any of my other posts then you will know that I only comment on subjects that I know about.

Tools