Thread: This will make your blood boil!

And those commercial geniuses at Gunns lost $4,300 million of their shareholders' funds. But it is largely a subcontracting industries and the subbies probably lost as much - no one has added this up !!

And the regulatory arm of Gunns, otherwise known as Forestry Tasmania, blythely continues with debacles like this. As a friend says, "WE need lots of funerals".


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Graeme

Originally Posted by Evanism

Log system to be reviewed Today's News - The Mercury - The Voice of Tasmania

It just makes me sick. Such waste. It's criminal.

Ah, yeah. Not good.

Welcome to the conservative world. I think some boffins wont be happy until all forms of trees are wiped out across Tasmania.

Quote from The Mercury "One rejected blackwood log yielded a high 59 per cent recovery rate which is almost unheard of."

What happened to the other 41%...may it should be sent to the manufactures of toilet paper for the pollies (you know the kind of paper, one that shyte doesn't stick to).

Originally Posted by The Bleeder

Quote from The Mercury "One rejected blackwood log yielded a high 59 per cent recovery rate which is almost unheard of."

What happened to the other 41%...may it should be sent to the manufactures of toilet paper for the pollies (you know the kind of paper, one that shyte doesn't stick to).

No, the kind of paper that has many splinters

simply apalling

It happens.

Originally Posted by The Bleeder

Quote from The Mercury "One rejected blackwood log yielded a high 59 per cent recovery rate which is almost unheard of."

What happened to the other 41%...may it should be sent to the manufactures of toilet paper for the pollies (you know the kind of paper, one that shyte doesn't stick to).

Good Morning Steve

Many years ago I worked in the timber industry - three quite large sawmills, plus two chipmills - and whilst we found it routine to get a recovery rate above 50%, it was virtually impossible to get one above 60%.

First, if your mill is equipped with circular saws then over 15% of the log will be turned into sawdust; sawdust from a bandsaw mill is lower at 10%+ as the kerf is narrower. Then you have knots, holes, resin deposits, splits, rot, etc in the log that must be cut out. And all logs taper - and no one wants tapered planks! Then there is the skill factor of the sawers, especially the bloke on the primary breakdown saw. And I haven't mentioned the quality of the logs going into the mill!

Believe me, 59% is an extremely high recovery ratio. To get it you must have very high quality logs and very competent sawers.

The real issue here, IMHO, is the professional competence and integrity of the forestry personnel who classified these as low quality chiplogs.


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Graeme

Originally Posted by GraemeCook

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The real issue here, IMHO, is the professional competence and integrity of the forestry personnel who classified these as low quality chiplogs.


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Graeme

Hit the nail on the head, me thinks

Originally Posted by GraemeCook

And those commercial geniuses at Gunns lost $4,300 million of their shareholders' funds. But it is largely a subcontracting industries and the subbies probably lost as much - no one has added this up !!

And the regulatory arm of Gunns, otherwise known as Forestry Tasmania, blythely continues with debacles like this. As a friend says, "WE need lots of funerals".


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Graeme

Had a business meeting with Gunn's management about thirty years ago. We didn't get on very well at all. I'm proud of that.

Originally Posted by GraemeCook

Good Morning Steve

Many years ago I worked in the timber industry - three quite large sawmills, plus two chipmills - and whilst we found it routine to get a recovery rate above 50%, it was virtually impossible to get one above 60%.

First, if your mill is equipped with circular saws then over 15% of the log will be turned into sawdust; sawdust from a bandsaw mill is lower at 10%+ as the kerf is narrower. Then you have knots, holes, resin deposits, splits, rot, etc in the log that must be cut out. And all logs taper - and no one wants tapered planks! Then there is the skill factor of the sawers, especially the bloke on the primary breakdown saw. And I haven't mentioned the quality of the logs going into the mill!

Believe me, 59% is an extremely high recovery ratio. To get it you must have very high quality logs and very competent sawers.

The real issue here, IMHO, is the professional competence and integrity of the forestry personnel who classified these as low quality chiplogs.


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Graeme

Graeme,

Nicely put.

My point was a bit tongue in cheek.

I also worked in a sawmill as a youngster. Paling section....dump clearer...stacker and general dogs body.

All the trees felled (these were designated by forestry personnel) went to the mill and yes recovery rates varied quite a bit.

A good blade man made the mill profitable. There was waste (sawdust of course) and the off cuts.

These where usually sold by the car/trailer load to use in the old fuel stoves.

Forestry personnel had no say in what was going to happen to any log, that was up to the mill owner.

No full log ever got chipped. They got what they could out of it. If what was left wasn't sold as firewood it got chipped.

I agree, nowdays 'professional competence and integrity of the forestry personnel' has left a lot to be questioned.