Thread: Calendars for your shed/workshop - Makita Girls

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I thought this was a discussion thread, not a "see what pics the mods will let slide" thread...

Originally Posted by elanjacobs

I thought this was a discussion thread, not a "see what pics the mods will let slide" thread...

Art promotes discussion don't you think? lol,....... but you're right, I was kind of seeing what would get through. Just a bit of fun, no offence intended blah blah blah.

None taken. Just didn't want to push our luck, I'm actually surprised it hasn't been moved to "Have your Say" already

The Makita Girls calendar in question is very tame compared to times gone by, and compared to what they would REALLY like to publish. Tame it may be, but it is still gratuitous draping of females over product. It is completely unnecessary. Do they really think that Tradies (the targets) will buy the brand that has the best looking, biggest chested models? Chosen over price/performance/reliability? Gimme a break.

In this thread there have been some frivolous posts (big deal), some semi-amusing posts, and some other posts that frankly beggar belief that they could be made in the 21st C. I shall not attempt to alter the thinking of the OP - his views are obviously quite entrenched - the number of repetitions shows that.

Originally Posted by Ausworkshop

Yes, you're right, we should just shut down the whole discussion

Oh no, no need for that but remember that you started it. However, I'm buggered if some things will go unchallenged.

Originally Posted by Ausworkshop

What's wrong with having a calendar for our shed walls? Nothing, if your need is as strong as you've indicated....in which case you'd be satisfied with just the calendar, sans pics (of ANY kind).
It's time we spoke up for ourselves instead of letting all this politically correct stuff get out of control. Yeah, 1955 anyone? When men could be real men and not be accountable for very much?

That's right, men have no rights to be men anymore. Are you serious?? You are, aren't you. During the Cricket this season, Channel 9 had promos going for Married at First Sight. Their (deliberately selected and carefully edited) most controversial twat was saying things like "Men are getting whipped by their women now". I thought he was the last of the dinosaurs, and deliberately egged on by Ch 9.

Yep they have got rid of grid girls, there's a small minority pushing all this. Thank gawd for strong minorities then.

There's some forces at work here that I don't like. Yup, got that, super loud and clear.

I used to go every year (for work) and the highlight for me was the fly over by the Fa/18 Hornet and the grid girls. The rest was just a very noisy expensive distraction that came and left a mess. So you could stand in the next street for the flyover and then maybe go somewhere else to look at girls - certainly less money.

Originally Posted by elanjacobs

It's basic biology. ALL animals are innately programmed to look at members of the opposite sex to determine if they would make a good mate for the purposes of propagating their own genetic material to the next generation.

Yeah, sure, it's a biological urge, but that's been the male cop-out for a while now. We also have the ability to think and respect, and no other animal does. No other animal needs dating websites either, come to think of it.

Originally Posted by elanjacobs

They are also programmed to promote themselves to members of the opposite sex to attract a mate for the aforementioned purpose.

Makita Girls context??

Originally Posted by DaveVman

Modern Feminism = gross hypocrisy.

Are you able to define what modern feminism is? (No, I probably can't give a particularly good definition, but I'm not making your bold statement and nor do I believe it's gross hypocrisy).

Originally Posted by bryn23

I can see how they (females) can get offended.
But it works both ways, they can't complain that good looking skimpy girls in calendars is wrong and then think shirtless firemen calendars are fine.

Agreed, but you can't assume that they are adopting that standpoint, and I'd be very surprised if anyone did - certainly it would be legitimate to tell them they are hypocrites of the finest kind.



I don't really care that the girls are exploiting male sex drive to make some easy money (from males). Had I come across it independently I couldn't have cared less about its existence - it's the way it has been brought to attention that is the problem. It's symptomatic of a bigger, uglier picture...the exploitation of women by men, in all its forms. It's been going on for millennia but entrenchment is not a reason for it to continue. There is always a danger of things going too far the other way in a correction, but if a few precious egos are thoroughly aggravated at their loss of control over other people, or loss of what they see as their red-blooded rights.....well so be it. Maybe they might begin to understand how women have felt for the duration.

I mean...if someone is this outraged at the loss of sexism skewed mightily in their favour....imagine how they would feel if the tables were turned, and it became entrenched for a short while, say just a couple of hundred years.


CAVEAT: I'm far from a wowser, definitely not a prude, not religious, and not particularly politically motivated.

Originally Posted by FenceFurniture

Yeah, sure, it's a biological urge, but that's been the male cop-out for a while now. We also have the ability to think and respect, and no other animal does. No other animal needs dating websites either, come to think of it.

Respecting women and enjoying looking at them are not mutually exclusive.

They are also programmed to promote themselves to members of the opposite sex to attract a mate for the aforementioned purpose.

Makita Girls context??

Possibly the reason why some women enjoy posing for such calendars? You'll have a hard time convincing me that models don't want/enjoy being looked at.

Society has been male-dominated essentially forever (the reasons behind that are another discussion) and I have no problem with that changing to bring women to a level playing field. However, I DO have a problem with the suppression of certain products/media that are being willingly produced because it doesn't fit with someone's idea of what equality is. Will the (legal) sex industry be the next to go because people who are not involved in it think that it's degrading to women?

The products don't need to change, the attitude of the consumer does. I have no idea what such an education program might be, let alone how to implement it.

Originally Posted by elanjacobs

Respecting women and enjoying looking at them are not mutually exclusive.

True, but that's not the point. The point is why they are necessary in a calendar promoting power tools. Or to aid someone remembering what day they have to dispatch a job by.

Originally Posted by elanjacobs

Possibly the reason why some women enjoy posing for such calendars? Eh? In context that would suggest that they are looking for a tradie who likes girlie calendars. I really don't think so.
You'll have a hard time convincing me that models don't want/enjoy being looked at. Of course they do - they got lucky with good genes.

Originally Posted by elanjacobs

The products don't need to change, the attitude of the consumer does.

Not quite sure what you mean here, but if you mean that the significantly more revealing calendars are ok (as "the products"), and the consumer needs to tolerate these then I would suggest that that is completely out of step with modern thinking. Maybe you mean something else. Are you saying that, for example, the Pirelli calendars of the "good old days" as the OP calls them are fine and dandy and people need to be ok with them? Even Playboy magazine - that started it all - has dumped nude pictures.

I am really glad that a man posted this. Often those who's

views are obviously quite entrenched

respond with insults and scorn if a woman makes even a rational, well argued point. It is good to be reminded that there's only

a small minority pushing all this.

Yes:

I don't really care that the girls are exploiting male sex drive to make some easy money (from males). Had I come across it independently I couldn't have cared less about its existence - it's the way it has been brought to attention that is the problem. It's symptomatic of a bigger, uglier picture...the exploitation of women by men, in all its forms. It's been going on for millennia but entrenchment is not a reason for it to continue. There is always a danger of things going too far the other way in a correction, but if a few precious egos are thoroughly aggravated at their loss of control over other people, or loss of what they see as their red-blooded rights.....well so be it. Maybe they might begin to understand how women have felt for the duration.

I mean...if someone is this outraged at the loss of sexism skewed mightily in their favour....imagine how they would feel if the tables were turned, and it became entrenched for a short while, say just a couple of hundred years

, and not particularly politically motivated.

We will be the judge of that. And going by your delirious rants. You clearly got brainwashed at school and uni. If you don't like something. You don't get to take it away from other people so It fits your draconian delusional ideology.

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I looked at this earlier and it 11 guests browsing, now it has 12. To the guests - This is not a reflection of most of the forum. If you like this thread and want more discussions like it then there is no point in joining and if you don't then don't be put off.

Regarding my above comment earlier:

I wasn't trying to shutdown the discussion - I posted that three days after the previous comment in the thread was posted. It wasn't an ongoing discussion at that point.

I wasn't seeking to be offended - it would have been very easy to be offended if I was. I could see that most of the posts were just fun and "wish we could still look at girls the way we used to" comments. (Totally understandable.) Some made valid points. Only a couple of posters were really being obnoxious .


* I have benefited enormously from being on this forum. It is the only one that I participate in. I didn't want to get into the discussion and risk offending people myself and I know it's pointless to argue with people with rather extreme entrenched views. I was quite genuine in my concern for the image of the forum.

Originally Posted by aussiemick01

We will be the judge of that.

That's a pretty big call for a new boy of 3-4 weeks presence and a whole 17 posts. You have no idea of what my reputation may or may not be on this forum, and you should note that this is not a forum that tolerates keyboard tough guys with the usual kind of FB or YT flaming. You will be my judge? Oh puh-lease.

Originally Posted by aussiemick01

And going by your delirious rants. You clearly got brainwashed at school and uni. If you don't like something. You don't get to take it away from other people so It fits your draconian delusional ideology.

No brainwashing at school, didn't really go to Uni (there for a while). My attitude and outlook is something that has grown with time, listening, maturity, and life experience.

Originally Posted by Mnb

Regarding my above comment earlier:

I wasn't trying to shutdown the discussion - I posted that three days after the previous comment in the thread was posted. It wasn't an ongoing discussion at that point.

I wasn't seeking to be offended - it would have been very easy to be offended if I was. I could see that most of the posts were just fun and "wish we could still look at girls the way we used to" comments. (Totally understandable.) Some made valid points. Only a couple of posters were really being obnoxious .


* I have benefited enormously from being on this forum. It is the only one that I participate in. I didn't want to get into the discussion and risk offending people myself and I know it's pointless to argue with people with rather extreme entrenched views. I was quite genuine in my concern for the image of the forum.

Your initial comment cast denigrating aspersions on people who have done nothing morally or legally wrong. You got the backlash you deserved with your pointless virtue signalling that only detracted from the topic. It only continued because you dug up an old thread. If you had said nothing it most likely would have gone away. And no one would have been offended. Seeing as the topic is essentially a harmless one.

Just because you are offended/getting offended on behalf of an imaginary person. Does not mean you are correct, and the 'others' are wrongthinkers. And if a passerby was so traumatised by this topic, They most certainly would not be a benefit to any community they join.


Every where you go does not have to perfectly fit your worldview. When you realise that. Your life will be much more pleasant.

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They're not necessary, they're an optional extra for those that want. I actually don't want them, but I'm not going to say that others shouldn't have them.

My comments on women enjoying posing were a remark on modelling in general, not saying that these women are looking for a tradie that likes calendars.

My attitude comment was more saying that people need to be taught that women posing for girlie magazines or becoming dancers shouldn't mean that they deserve any less respect. It shouldn't be a career path that women can't talk about or that's viewed as undignified. Is saying that "good girls" don't grow up to be girlie models any different to saying that they shouldn't be plumbers or mechanics because it's not "lady-like"?

Playboy nudes WERE gone for just one year, they're back since March 2017
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...zine/97868038/
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/13/b...-pictures.html

Originally Posted by aussiemick01

They most certainly would not be a benefit to any community they join.

Well I tell you what old fruit - I'm struggling to see the benefit of you in this community (all two weeks of it).

Mebbe you need to read the Terms of Use you agreed to:
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