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9th July 2016, 09:30 PM #1New Member
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Carpenter needing joinery help
Hi, I'm a chippy that loves to dabble in just about everything. Building everything with anything
Normally I just read up on a subject and just get right to it. But I am having trouble finding anything regarding building a nice front door, preferably out of the same profile of cladding I'll be using for the the rest of the house. Could anyone point me in the right direction of some useful information.
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10th July 2016, 02:16 AM #2Member
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Not sure if it's useful info or not, but the door in the picture is almost guaranteed to have a steel frame inside the cladding.
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10th July 2016, 08:59 AM #3GOLD MEMBER
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Yes there is definitely a frame within that door and i doubt it would be timber.
Best bet would be to get an aluminium frame fabricated
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10th July 2016, 11:18 AM #4GOLD MEMBER
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An alternative idea for you
Those doors look impressive but they often have some issues/problems. Because the door is heavy (massive) and has a single pivot hinge top and bottom the hinge has to be really solid and also set into a very solid frame - usually concrete below and steel frame above. Initial alignment is absolutely critical and any wear in the hinge and/or damage from banging shut in the wind etc. means the doors get out of whack and do not close properly. They are also difficult for smaller people to open and close gently because of the mass.
A house near me that was built in 2009 has a similar door and it has been no end of problems - but then it did get flooded.
If you want to be able to open the doorway wide sometimes but not have the problems of the large pivot doors a more traditional way to do so would be to have a double door, either equal sized doors or for a modern look unequal sizes. Such doors can be hung from three good traditional hinges each and will last a lifetime of use and abuse.
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10th July 2016, 11:39 AM #5New Member
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Thanks for the input everyone, the door I linked to is quite wide, I'm building the house so can make sure everything is strong enough for the pivot system, the door frame is being provided by rylock, I am asking them if it would be able to take the weight.
I just built a steel tray for my ute and am currently welding a large aluminum pod to take two twin outboards for a 25 foot bertram, so I love to dabble in a bit of frame construction that I can melt a bit of metal.
I didn't quite know if the door I propose I could do on a 2400x900x35 blank, and use a 12mm cladding, which glue to use. Paslode straight finish nailer. It would end up 60mm thick give or take and heavy as! Would this warp and end up rubbish being an external door?
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10th July 2016, 07:41 PM #6GOLD MEMBER
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If you intend to use a light weight timber like Cedar then coupled with an aluminium frame using 3mm thick material it will be relatively light.
If you are using hard wood you may need a mate to help hang it
Your idea of cladding a blank is fine as long as you use an external grade blank and seal all edges before cladding.
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10th July 2016, 09:17 PM #7New Member
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Cheers, probably blackbutt
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11th July 2016, 09:19 PM #8SENIOR MEMBER
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Just hung a door today that is in the same vein. 115 thick, 1200 wide and must be 2700 high. Has a steel frame and spotted gum battens vertically on each side and it was a struggle for 6 of us to carry it in off the truck. It must weigh something around 250kg. Hung it on a Frits Jurgen pivot that can take 500kg.To be honest I reckon it is dangerous for kids and could easily guillotine their fingers off.
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11th July 2016, 10:31 PM #9Senior Member
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It may just be my dodgy brain but I can't help but think an "Industrial" stripper pole would be almost suit perfectly as a hinge.
I have no idea about building but could you mount the door frame then clad it after it is installed?
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11th July 2016, 10:34 PM #10New Member
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Cheers, yeah its definitely going to be a beast, not as big as that though. I'll wait to hear back from rylock to see what weight the frame can handle
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13th July 2016, 04:48 PM #11Frequent Learner
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good to hear there are some people out there challenging convention. In terms of the guillotine effect, my brother was going to put in this sort of door, nothing that heavy but the hinge set he got had dampers in it to slow the door down when closing. Pretty much necessary with doors that large and heavy. If the wind picked it up and slammed it you'd tear the walls apart if it's got 250kg behind it. Lots of energy in that.
Anyway, my brother opted for regular hinges after some setup pain and hasn't looked back, probably for the best i guess, he has little kids also.
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13th July 2016, 05:52 PM #12New Member
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Yeah there are kids about so might think about the dampening
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13th July 2016, 07:23 PM #13
perhaps definitely think about dampening?
just a thought
Not only does the door frame have to support the door, the wall the door is in needs to be able to hold the door frame and door.
I'm not entirely sure, but perhaps this sort of door and frame needs additional horizontal bracing so that it remains plumb and square in the very long termregards from Alberta, Canada
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13th July 2016, 07:51 PM #14New Member
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Definitely, I'm constructing the house so will brace everything as it needs
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1st August 2016, 09:21 PM #15SENIOR MEMBER
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Turns out this bad boy is 3m tall, and it is going to be deadly to any fingers that may get in the way.
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