Thread: next challange ideas

sound good to me but what type of project would it be. I'm in
regards Michael

Why spend $20. This fella managed to turn a glass of water into an oak tree. Everyone should post a photo of something they've turned into an Australian hardwood as the next challenge.

http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ViewWork?workid=27072

Cheers
Michael

havent decided.

Originally Posted by mic-d

Why spend $20. This fella managed to turn a glass of water into an oak tree. Everyone should post a photo of something they've turned into an Australian hardwood as the next challenge.

Welcome to everything I hate about art.

I don't buy timber from bunnies or hardware stores, so can I buy from any other local suppliers?

Originally Posted by mic-d

Why spend $20. This fella managed to turn a glass of water into an oak tree. Everyone should post a photo of something they've turned into an Australian hardwood as the next challenge.

http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ViewWork?workid=27072

Cheers
Michael

...i will never understand artists....


...
you see that last emoticon i posted ^

well, that is actually not an emoticon, it is in fact a large baobab tree

What about setting some criteria like:

• Timber: Piece of x with a volume of y, Any Timber you like, Supplied, Combo, etc.
• Form: Any, Box, Pen, Goblet, Jig, etc.
• Techniques Allowed: Any, Marquetry, Joinery, Intarsia etc.
• Techniques Required: Any, Hand cut dovetail, Carving, etc.
• Finish: None, Oil, Lacquer, Shellac, Any, etc.
• Tools Allowed: Any, Hand Tools Only, Bandsaw, Router, Table Saw, etc.
• Timeframe: 2 Months to say 12 months for longer term challenges to build workbenches or furniture for example.
• Budget: $10 - Whatever
• Judging Method: Forum Poll, Specific Judges, etc.
• Judging Criteria: 5 categories max in order of importance

This way we have set criteria we all expect to see for each challenge and the variable is what the challenger chooses in each category.

HH.

Get your drift HH, but how would you do it in practice? Maybe if you put together a rough but comprehensive draft of what you have in mind we can all work on it.

Chickoroll, that "artist" is pointing out the basic paradox of art. If you accept that art is in the eye of the beholder it makes perfect sense. The fact that neither you nor I would buy that piece does not change its message.

Personally, what I liked about the original idea of the challenge is the concept of somebody freely sharing a specific timber experience with "friends". While we were all happy to pay for the timber this time because of the organiser's age, this is a departure from that idea. If it is going to become a standard competition with complex rules and cost considerations it just loses its flavour, IMHO. If that is the way it's going to go, it would be much better if it were codified and managed centrally by the Forum, something Neil is not at all interested in.

F&E, I meant it more as a guide for setting up a challenge rather than a prescriptive structure. An example might be as follows;

I am setting up the following challenge....

• Timber: Piece of Red Gum with a volume of equivalent to 500x500x500mm
• Form: A Turned Box
• Techniques Allowed: Any
• Techniques Required: Hollowing
• Finish: Any
• Tools Allowed: Any
• Timeframe: 2 Months from today
• Budget: Whatever for the timber
• Judging Method: Forum Poll
• Judging Criteria: Quality of hollowing, form, finish & useability

OR

Timber: Any
Form: A Woodworkers Bench
Techniques Allowed: Any
Techniques Required: Joinery
Finish: Any
Tools Allowed: Any
Timeframe: 12 Months from today
Budget: Whatever for the timber
Judging Method: Forum Poll
Judging Criteria: Useability - Bench, Useability Vices, Joinery Used, Finish

OR

Timber: Red Mahogany
Form: Coffee Table
Techniques Allowed: Any
Techniques Required: Mortice & Tenon Joinery
Finish: Any
Tools Allowed: Any
Timeframe: 6 Months from today
Budget: Whatever for the timber
Judging Method: Forum Poll
Judging Criteria: Form, Finish, Useability, M&T joints used

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Originally Posted by mic-d

Why spend $20. This fella managed to turn a glass of water into an oak tree. Everyone should post a photo of something they've turned into an Australian hardwood as the next challenge.

http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ViewWork?workid=27072

Cheers
Michael

The web page says that the guy who did this was an artist. In fact, he's just a wanker...


Cool idea about the challenge though - I have to get the latest box challenge out of the way first . I like the idea of the challenge having a framework, but being flexible enough to cover plenty of possibilities so it allows variety and encourages different people to get involved at different times.

Cheers,
Dave

While this appears to be a glass of water on a shelf, the artist states that it is in fact an oak tree. Craig-Martin’s assertion addresses fundamental questions about what we understand to be art and our faith in the power of the artist. The work can be seen as an exploration of Marcel Duchamp’s declaration that any existing object can be declared a work of art. In his accompanying text, Craig-Martin provides the questions as well as the answers, allowing the simultaneous expression of scepticism and belief regarding the transformative power of art.

It is wanker like that gives art a bad name.

Same as Frank I prefer the simple concept rather than a rigidly regulated challenge.

Heres a lump of wood - make something out of it!!!

Not, turn a pen
or turn a bowl
or make a table etc etc etc.

The problem with supplying timber for a challenge is that we are limited to small or tiny projects because of postage limitations

Carl's suggestion of $20 would enable use of a sleeper slab 2400 x 200 x 50.
Or equivalent volume of timber including recycled stuff if you have it.

So a larger piece could be made. Then the challenge would become broader based and even include international entrants.

I'm not mad on limiting the timber supplier to bunnies or any individual merchant.

Theres an idea... A hardwood sleeper challenge. I could enter about 400 pens

You can hardly call turning a pen a challenge. C'mon people.