Thread: Compound cupboard door hinge with pivot hinge mounting

Are these similar to what you are looking for??DSCF0283.jpg
Kryn

a little tongue in cheek -- have you considered roller doors?


more seriously,
if you have planned for 10 doors, which open in a conventional manner, have you considered retrofitting the necessary verticals to the front of your carcass onto which you can mount conventional butt or Euro cupboard hinges?
You've said that your doors will be 30mm thick, so a 50 x 50 hinge "jamb" will be hidden by the doors and not really interfere with access to the cupboard's contents. The "jamb" -- I'm not sure of the correct terminology -- could be inserted using half blind dovetails top and bottom so as not to be visible when the doors are closed.

Originally Posted by Gestalt

I ran this past Karen (she'll be the one accessing the contents) and she's not real keen on the idea. I can see how this could work though. Piano hinge at the top (maybe two butt hinges) with gas struts for auto opening once a bottom latch was released. Some type of retractable cord would also be required so she could pull the door down for closing.

I think Blum (and other kitchen cabinet hardware makers) have a hinge that once "popped" will open to 90 or 95 degrees.
Then you just need a cord (or handle on the inside) to pull the door closed. The assumption being if Karen can reach stuff at the back of the top shelf without using steps or a ladder she can reach the door to close it.

Originally Posted by Lappa

How thick are the upper, middle and lower panels?

They are all 45mm thick Lappa. Just KDHW.

Originally Posted by KBs PensNmore

Are these similar to what you are looking for??DSCF0283.jpg
Kryn

I'm not really sure I can make that out too well Kryn. Maybe it's just me. Do you have another image handy. Thanks for posting it.

Originally Posted by ian

a little tongue in cheek -- have you considered roller doors?


more seriously,
if you have planned for 10 doors, which open in a conventional manner, have you considered retrofitting the necessary verticals to the front of your carcass onto which you can mount conventional butt or Euro cupboard hinges?
You've said that your doors will be 30mm thick, so a 50 x 50 hinge "jamb" will be hidden by the doors and not really interfere with access to the cupboard's contents. The "jamb" -- I'm not sure of the correct terminology -- could be inserted using half blind dovetails top and bottom so as not to be visible when the doors are closed.

Well roller doors are a novel idea Ian. Something I never considered. Colourbond maybe? Hahaha. I suppose timber slats, like a roll top desk could work, but I've got no idea about making anything like that. Think I'll stay conventional panel doors.


Yes I probably could fit vertical hinge supports Ian, but they could really just be blocks mounted top and bottom. I guess if I was to do something like that, it would look better if it was a full vertical like you say. Seems I have a few options. Thanks for the tips.

Originally Posted by Gestalt

Well roller doors are a novel idea Ian. Something I never considered. Colourbond maybe? Hahaha. I suppose timber slats, like a roll top desk could work, but I've got no idea about making anything like that. Think I'll stay conventional panel doors.


Yes I probably could fit vertical hinge supports Ian, but they could really just be blocks mounted top and bottom. I guess if I was to do something like that, it would look better if it was a full vertical like you say. Seems I have a few options. Thanks for the tips.

A link here for making a tambour door on u tube https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&r...chH0K0kF_9Q0ew

Might be an option.

Cheers

Originally Posted by ian

I think Blum (and other kitchen cabinet hardware makers) have a hinge that once "popped" will open to 90 or 95 degrees.
Then you just need a cord (or handle on the inside) to pull the door closed. The assumption being if Karen can reach stuff at the back of the top shelf without using steps or a ladder she can reach the door to close it.

Gee that type of hinge must have a pretty strong spring included. I should look it up. Karen still won't go for it though!!!

Originally Posted by John Saxton

A link here for making a tambour door on u tube https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&r...chH0K0kF_9Q0ew

Might be an option.


Cheers

Thanks John, great video. I've just learnt something new. Now I know what a tambour is. I've never even heard that word before!!

Originally Posted by Gestalt

I'm not really sure I can make that out too well Kryn. Maybe it's just me. Do you have another image handy. Thanks for posting it.

We'll see how this goes.
The area inside the black line is the hinge with the door open.
Hinge 5.jpg
The area inside the black line is the hinge with the door partially closed.
Hinge 6.jpg
Unfortunately these are only available for 19mm doors, but it will give you an idea of what they look like, if you want to have a go at making them.
The ones in the pics are about 5mm centre away from the door itself.
On the one below, the vertical piece is mounted on the cabinet, while the other section is mounted on the back of the door.

Regards
Kryn

here's an option from Blum


I suppose the major issue for you is that most of these hinges are designed for 19 mm thick doors, not the 30 mm thick ones you propose.

back to the original question

Originally Posted by Gestalt

Hi Guys, just wondering if anyone knows of a compound 6 bar linkage hinge that can be mounted like a pivot hinge. I've built a wall unit without any vertical partitions (only the two ends) and need to attach the hinging systems on the horizontal top and bottom members. The hinges really need to be compound because the doors are 30mm thick with little clearance between them.
thanks.
Eric

Hi Eric
I think the Aventos HK lift hinge, mounted on its side, might do what you want

see page 16 and following in this document http://d1.blum.com/BEC003/kla0033-ep...4aof_%24v1.pdf

Originally Posted by KBs PensNmore

We'll see how this goes.
The area inside the black line is the hinge with the door open.

The area inside the black line is the hinge with the door partially closed.

Unfortunately these are only available for 19mm doors, but it will give you an idea of what they look like, if you want to have a go at making them.
The ones in the pics are about 5mm centre away from the door itself.
On the one below, the vertical piece is mounted on the cabinet, while the other section is mounted on the back of the door.

Regards
Kryn

Thanks for that Kryn. I get it now!! A single point pivot could work, but I'd need a bigger gap between the doors to allow for the arc swing. I don't know how much. I should draw it up. The added thickness wouldn't help.
That's a nice way of mounting. Almost totally hidden. I guess that's the problem with doing the not so conventional.
Thanks again for the tip on what's available.

Originally Posted by ian

here's an option from Blum
I suppose the major issue for you is that most of these hinges are designed for 19 mm thick doors, not the 30 mm thick ones you propose.

Bi fold horizontal hinged. Wait till I show Karen!!! Thanks Ian. Are they gas struts or just part of the mechanism?
I remember having a problem with thicker kitchen doors about 25 years ago in a kitchen I built for a bungalow. The doors were 30mm thick pine louvered. I got around the problem by rebating standard compound hinges into the back of the doors by 10mm. It was a conventional kitchen though.
I would imagine that type of Blum set up would be really expensive. Maybe $500.00 per door. Would I be close?? I've really got no idea, but it looks expensive!!!
Thanks again.