Thread: Detailed Creosone Help Please???

I couldn't find the original document I was looking for, but this link goes to a (poor) OCR'd copy:

http://www.archive.org/stream/preser...irich_djvu.txt


My grandad used to do this, the "missing" Fig 3 is just a galv water-pipe running out from near the bottom of a 44 gallon tank for a few feet, to a right angle bend and a pipe running to about 2/3 the height of the tank, then another right-angle bend going back to the tank.

Sorta like the handle on a coffee cup.

MasterJ, welcome to the most informative site - someone is sure to contribute more and you will get your answers. Good luck with your farming. Tell us more about what your plans are.

soth

I'll definitely try that out

Any idea what mixture i could use with that method?

I read about different mixtures; ones used are Creosote oil and other one is Chromated copper arsenate (CCA)

Which one is the cheapest and the best to work with?

Thanks

Howzit from another boetjie.
Where are you? I am in Rosetta.
I used creosote or carbolinium (same stuff different supplier) neat. Sometimes it is too viscous to work with so diluted it with diesel or old engine oil. Just make it thin enought to soak into the wood. I used a 210l drum and stood them in the solution for a few days then swopped ends. A horizontal water trough would be better as you can then submerge the whole pole.
Not rocket science but extremely messy and clears the sinuses.
CCA is not nice to work with.

I'm from South Africa, Mphumalanga

How much does it cost per litre or gallon for Creosote or Carbolinium?

But thank You again for your method of treatment

And should the liquid be boiled to a certain heat or can i leave it cold?

Thanx

Originally Posted by MasterJ

I'm from South Africa, Mphumalanga
How much does it cost per litre or gallon for Creosote or Carbolinium?
But thank You again for your method of treatment
And should the liquid be boiled to a certain heat or can i leave it cold?
Thanx

Mphumalanga is a large area - where? Used to live in Malelane.
Last time I bought it was about R25 for 5 liters.
Do not boil. It smells enough in its raw state without heating and making it worse. You would not be able to work close to it.

I currently live on a farm in Karino - 16km from Whiteriver and 17km from Nelspruit.

And i know Malalane the new name very well.

Just make sure it does not get on your skin as you will be wearing it for a long time and it can really irritate and blister it.

Make sure you have good long rubber gloves, not the surgical type as it will eat a hole through it in no time at all. I have always used a 50 /50 mixture of old used motor oil with it. But in Australia that is hard to get so the last lot we put on only a few months ago I mixed 50 /50 with the cheapest motor oil I could find.

I think you might find creosite is not available in Australia or is now only used for specific purposes and is difficult to procure if you can at all. their is a creosite imatation which has been approved a lot dearer of course and i do not know about the efficacy or half life or how long it will be effective for. Which is all saying the same thing really.

One of the reasons it has been banned is traces have been found in cattle meat sent to Japan from here and as such its use threatened the export market to Japan of our cattle.

So what i'm gonna use to make sure to get the quickest way to get the job done will be to:

use 3* 210L drums, to cut the top and bottom off from one drum as well as the top of the other two and weld them together..

This will provide me with space to soak about max 10* 2.5m poles.

I will use old engine oil, which i can get for free, allot of it but only need to find out where to buy the Creosote or Carbolinium?

I will leave the wood in the sollution for 2 - 3 days.

After i removed them, i will stand them up to dry and also for the treatment to settle

Another question - What could i use to paint the poles afterwards, so that the solution that it was soaked in won't be able to surface when the poles are planted, because the weather here gets to about 40'C..

Originally Posted by MasterJ

Another question - What could i use to paint the poles afterwards, so that the solution that it was soaked in won't be able to surface when the poles are planted, because the weather here gets to about 40'C..

I doubt you will find any sort of paint that will cover creosote. Recote the exposed surfaces with old engine oil every 2nd year. Whatever is below ground will not rot provided it had a good soak before being planted.

I have used creasote diluted 1:4 with sump oil. (Live in sub-tropical, coastal NSW with high rainfall) on farm fencing posts and stable block. My guesstimation is that it extends the life of wood by up to 3 or maybe 4 times. As already mentioned though-it is extremely toxic, so use all precautions: full overalls, rubber gloves (not latex which will just disolve during the application process), mask etc. As for painting over; the oil is going to help repell all moisture, and that includes paint of course. Good luck.

MasterJ,
The following is a difficult answer. PROFESSIONALLY I work in an industry that has banned creosote for pole treatment and we now use boron bandages. Termite (and other creepy crawleys) attack the post from slightly above the surface to 300mm deep and that is the area covered by the bandage. RECREATIONALLY I still use creosote for fence posts and the tradition is to bore the post hole to the required depth. Place the pole in the hole and fill to the surface with a 1:4 mix of creosote and sump oil (or diesel). After about a week fill the post hole with spoil and, after a month or so, tamp around the post and top up the fill. All of the safety comments noted above about creosote are valid ... and wise!
Fletty