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Thread: Drum sander needs help
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16th February 2015, 06:40 PM #1Member
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Drum sander needs help
Hi
My twin drum sander (Hare and Forbes) has stopped working after many good years of service. When I now turn it on, the motor starts and after 10 seconds trips the safety switch on my switchboard.
i was hoping someone could recommend an electrician who has some experience with woodwork machinery to come out and investigate what is wrong. I am in Essendon, Victoria. So preferable to have someone on my side of town.
I have tracked down some electricians but they all seem to be on the other side of town and not too to travel.
Thanks in advance.
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16th February 2015, 08:46 PM #2Taking a break
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JCWalsh are in Airport West, they sell and service woodworking machinery.
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16th February 2015, 09:09 PM #3
It is possible that the issue is being caused by dust buildup overloading the motor also so it might pay to check the unit mechanically.
When you say it trips the safety switch after 10 seconds running, do you mean a combined circuit breaker/earth leakage detector, or or a standalone earth leakage detector with a gang of circuit breakers following? If it is a combined breaker/EL detector, it could be tripping due to either over current or earth leakage, supporting the possibility of mechanical overload. If you have separate ELD and breakers, is the motor tripping the ELD or the breaker? Again if it is tripping the breaker, I would suspect a mechanical issue causing motor overload and over current.I used to be an engineer, I'm not an engineer any more, but on the really good days I can remember when I was.
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16th February 2015, 09:59 PM #4Member
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Thanks for the feedback. I will check for dust and build up on the motor.
Both the magnetic switch on the unit itself and the 15 amp circuit break on the switchboard trip.
Before it trips, the motor that turns the 2 drums and the conveyor belt move normally - so no unusual noises.
One of my mates suggested it could be a capacitor issue.
regards
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16th February 2015, 10:54 PM #5.
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Remove the load on the motor (pulley belt or sanding belt/rooll) and see if it starts and runs OK. If it does then you know it's load related.
I'd also be putting an ammeter on the mains input to see what it was drawing
You also might want to have a look at this
https://www.woodworkforums.com/f271/3hp-1p-motor-tripping-rcd-tripping-191797
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17th February 2015, 06:53 AM #6rrich Guest
I think that if you clean the motor the problem will be solved. From your description the problem seems to be the starter circuit is staying engaged. The starter circuit is supposed to drop out after the motor is up to speed. Dust and what not can prevent this switch from dropping out.
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17th February 2015, 08:05 AM #7Member
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Thanks for everyone's input. I unmounted the motor and cleaned it out as best as I could. Unfortunately, still no luck.
So either there is short in the motor or some relay is gone. I have come to the end of the line with my knowledge and skill )
Any know electricians in the Essendon area of Melbourne that one could recommend?
Thanks
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17th February 2015, 09:06 AM #8Member
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I had an similar problem with my planer/thicknesser. I removed the motor and took it to Melbourne Electric Motor Services in Thomastown Ph:9466 2331. They checked it on the spot and found it had a faulty capacitor which was replaced then and there. Half an hour and $60.00 and the motor was OK again.
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17th February 2015, 07:38 PM #9SENIOR MEMBER
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Yeah assuming it is single phase and that you can freely spin the motor with your hand, and the motor isn't actually turning when you switch it on, I would change the cap / caps. You can usually do this yourself as they are usually plug and play. Otherwise do as the above post says.
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17th February 2015, 08:21 PM #10Member
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After much research and the great guidance from the Forum members, the problem has been identified. The two capacitors have blown!
Now off to find the suppliers for the capacitors, which I don't believe will be too difficult.
Thanks for the input
Stevo
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18th February 2015, 08:57 AM #11GOLD MEMBER
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If you cannot get them locally, Hare & Forbes should have them. I had to replace the capacitor on my Hafco bandsaw and they were able to get one to me from Sydney in very short time.
Tom
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