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    I used their soft close ones and they were no good. I replaced them with Hettich from WT Hardware in dandenong.

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    How are the Hettich holding up so far?

    ($22 inc each for 7 soft closing bottom mount)
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    Barry G. Sumpter
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    Standard ball bearing side mount runners will last a very long time, its just the soft close or push to open feature which will fail. As a cabinet maker, I reckon the first sign of a cheap budget job is side mount runners.

    They have their uses, like in the shed, but not in a half decent kitchen or piece of furniture. The undermount push or soft close is a much safer option if the drawer material is a feature (timber). (rather than metal sided systems) Either Blum, Grass or Salice. These 3 reputable companies don't even make soft close or push side mount runners. The 12.5-8 mm thickness does not allow a reliable enough soft or push mechanism. Sure 1 set may last 10 years with some luck but I guarantee 4-5 out of 10 sets will fail within 2 years. With cabinet hardware you get what you pay for.

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    Regrettably these are outside clients perceived price range.


    Was about to ask about side or bottom mount.

    I'll go with bottom mount.
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    Side and bottom mount are really the same thing. One can mount anywhere on the side, often the middle. Bottom mount also mount on the side but on the bottom of the side. They just have an extra 2 tags bent down to screw into the bottom of the side but are still basically mounted on the side.

    Undermounts are different again and are simply attached onto the drawer bottom with adjustable clips enabling the complete drawer to be adjusted to get the perfect margins on the drawer front. They are basically not visible as the sides hang down past them. I have found the Salice push undermount to be the cheapest of the quality undermounts. Costs about $37 a pair (including adj clips) from Hafele.

    Saying all that. usually budget and other considerations mean they are just too expensive and side mounts are more practical but I'd try to avoid the soft close of push feature in these slides due to reliability..

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    Yeah ok making it easier to to move to standards.
    I've got 12 ball bearing slides of different manufactures and sizes and types.
    A few are rusted and some need a cleaning.

    Now moving towards recommending the simple inexpensive nylon wheel runners.
    And getting away from the ball bearing type completely.

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    Client must have gotten paid.
    She's changed her mind.
    Since she's paying she's allowed.
    She's ok'd this price range
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    Thanks Ozka.

    I'll ring Hafele on monday to see what the price difference between the Salice push undercount and the Blum Soft close undercount.

    Just wondering the Salice say push soft close.
    Would that be push to open AND soft close?

    tia
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    Salice make a soft close undermount comparable to the blum undermount tandem.

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    Salice make a soft close undermount comparable to the blum undermount tandem.

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    The word Push is part of the Salice product name.
    I was hoping it meant push to open.
    Does the Salice you use have push to open AND slow close?
    Or just slow close?
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    Salice make a soft close undermount comparable to the Blum movento (tandem) soft close undermount. Around the $40 mark Trade.

    When you talk push to open with soft close then you have the Blum movento tip on (push to open) with blumotion (soft close) Around the $55 mark. Totally unnecessary for most applications but a touch of class in a high end kitchen.

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    Much appreciated to all who posted replies.

    The client has finalized the slides.

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    ~$35 retail inc each

    What a nightmare that was.
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    OK now that I have the slides in my hand I can plan and design the drawer assemblies.

    Am I overthinking this?
    Up at 5am and kinda feel like I'm trapped inside trying to be quiet.
    And not building anything for a few weeks I'm starting to climb the walls and my hands are hurting again.

    I was so careful building the drawer cabinets but the laser measure shows a 1 to 2mm difference between the top and bottom of each drawer spaces.

    Drawer Spaces

    Right Top Bottom
    ——— —— ————
    front 665 664
    Centre 667 666
    Back 664 666

    Left
    ——— —— ————
    Left 665 667
    Centre 667 666
    Back 666 665

    Front
    ——— —— ————
    Middle 551 549

    Am I overthinking this?
    Is it ok to allow 2mm variations?
    It just seems like a lot.

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    Barry G. Sumpter
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    Definitely overthinking it.

    I'm planning on mounting the side mount slides on the bottom of the cabinet.
    i.e. to help support the weight.
    Should I add another support piece on the top of the slide to help support the weight when open?
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    Barry G. Sumpter
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    Quote Originally Posted by barrysumpter View Post
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    Definitely overthinking it.

    I'm planning on mounting the side mount slides on the bottom of the cabinet.
    i.e. to help support the weight.
    Should I add another support piece on the top of the slide to help support the weight when open?
    Barry, I think you are grossly over-thinking this! If you use the full complement of screws, the slides will hold whatever they are rated for with a bit to spare. These things are designed for particle-board, which doesn't hold screws particularly well compared with wood, but the forces are all in shear, not trying to pull the screws out. If you use the full complement of screws, you can be quite comfortable they'll do the job as long as you aren't intending to exceed their rated capacity.

    I've got a couple of second-hand full-extension slides like these on two huge drawers where I keep my power tools. I calculate they are working at close to their rated capacity, and in a dusty less-than-optimum environment to boot, but they've been operating smoothly for at least 10 years now, & certainly show no sign of detaching....

    Cheers,
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