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    Quote Originally Posted by thumbsucker View Post
    A good book will kick the excrement out of any YouTube video.

    To know the good from the bad. Start with all of Hayward then move to Ernest Joyce's The Technique of Furniture Making (Michael Fortune uses this as his reference book - he says always finds the answer in Joyce.) then the Impractical Cabinet Maker so you know we’re you sit. Then practice, practice and practice, the same thing again and again, learn it inside and out and then when you know it backwards. Then take your next step. People are always chasing the next cool thing without ever mastering anything.
    Learning is a personal thing. Some people are visual learners, others prefer a book. Everyone is different.

    Sometimes i use Tage Frid or Charles Hayward but other times YouTube is good enough. Once my skills improve enough maybe the the balance between the two will change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by damian View Post
    The trouble with youtube is if you are not an expert how do you tell the difference between a dangerous idiot and someone with a clue ? And where do you find that sweet confluence between expertise and watchability... You might be good at making it, but do I want to watch you make it ? My personal problem is I can't keep up. I find a web page with pics and instructions far easier to follow....
    Yep - unfortunately there's way more fools than craftspersons on the screen and even more folks that don't know the difference watching. Because of this it's basically turned into a breeding ground for more fools.

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    For over a billion of us youtube is not a learning adventure, its entertainment and there is nothing wrong with entertainment. I watch Youtube, Netflix, downloaded video and Twitch (in that order), no traditional TV. I would rather watch a hipster with a drop saw than a game show or reality TV, if I really like a creator I’ll sign up for patreon, chat with them and other fans on their Discord etc, its very interactive.

    I’m not there to take notes like an online university lecture, some are though. I presume there are some online woodworking classes (the woodwhisperer I think was into that area) where you have paid content, structured lessons, work along plans etc (along the lines of coursera or udemy or others have to teach you to code etc.

    In terms of the practices they show, yeah some of them are going to hurt themselves, some people are going to copy them and get hurt, that sucks and you should use common sense when applying anything you see. But the same applies for lots of topics on youtube from mountain biking to parkour to firearms channels, doesn’t make them less entertaining for most people.

    You’re entitled to a view that youtube is bad for society, people creating and making money in their garage while woodworking without a guard on their saw are hacks that should be banned in favour of experts etc, but I don’t agree. Youtube with monetization for individuals is creating new business opportunities that creative people need to make a living doing what they love.

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    I feel that people are getting sick of the internet.”

    The internet is only just getting started, in terms of sitting down on a pc and opening a browser to navigate webpages, that is somewhat stagnate due to market saturation at that price point, but mobile phones took that and made internet connectivity a reality for a couple of billion more people, connected devices are the next wave that will weave the internet even deeper through the fabric of our homes and our businesses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thumbsucker View Post
    A good book will kick the excrement out of any YouTube video.
    For some perhaps, I know more than one person who has never read a book after leaving school. Good video presentation will alway boot a book out of the arena and that is coming from someone who reads at least one new book a week. and who has a digital library of at least 20,000 books to wade through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thumbsucker View Post
    A good book will kick the excrement out of any YouTube video.

    To know the good from the bad. Start with all of Hayward then move to Ernest Joyce's The Technique of Furniture Making (Michael Fortune uses this as his reference book - he says always finds the answer in Joyce.) then the Impractical Cabinet Maker so you know we’re you sit. Then practice, practice and practice, the same thing again and again, learn it inside and out and then when you know it backwards. Then take your next step. People are always chasing the next cool thing without ever mastering anything.

    An for those with learning difficulties(my self included)or who are e literate Videos can be fantastic.
    I agree some are pile of S....
    But so are some books
    I have a household service book at home that says to give my wife a firm slap if she becomes hysterical,
    That would end me up black and blue and visiting my dentist,regularly.
    Yes that’s an extreme example and the books well over 100 years old.

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    Plus for one for clickspring really great format

    Cheers Matt,

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    Visual learning can be a wonderful tool. Much can be lost in translation or should I say comprehension of the written word. An apprentice is trained by a qualified tradesman. On Youtube it can be the blind leading the blind. Saw fences seem to be a thing of the past. Yes, I've heard the excuse it is easier to photograph. Yeh, well that's a perfectly logical explanation for running the risk of removing your thumb.One chap was going into detail on the finer points of making a cross cut sled for the table saw. To assist the novices out there in wonderland he was making one, step by step, on his table saw (no blade guard.) The bloke had past-the-shoulder length hair which, every time he bent over the saw, would dangle closely in the vicinity of the spinning, guardless blade! (Tutorial morphs to Horror Movie.) It is ironic that we find ourselves living in what can be argued an over-regulated society, yet find these web sites demonstrating extremely unsafe practices without fear of any form of retribution, with an uneducated audience hanging on their every word and deed. Bad habits are easy come by. Good practice should be mandatory.

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    People love to hate YouTube, on other social media platforms such as these forums or Facebook etc. I find that quite silly, but why do people hate YouTube so much? I reckon it is because a video is too much information. I'll give an example...

    I write a written post here discussing that I started with some 6x1" rough sawn tassie oak boards, and I proceeded to surface them and edge joint them on my jointer. Then I made the opposing face and edge parallel to the other using the thicknesser. All good right? nothing wrong with any of that.....

    Now I make a video doing exactly that, while passing my hands over the buzzer blades while wearing gloves, without using eye protection or dust extraction.

    I think that's a pretty good example of why YouTube is too much information and people just can't handle information it seems.

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    What you do is hard Kuffy and I hope it pays off. I’ve been keeping an eye on your channel and am watching keenly as you rework your format (as you mentioned in a recent video) and I noticed a lot of editing and B-roll went into the TV cabinet build (and music I didn’t like)

    I think the creative side of youtube is something that some people don’t appreciate or relate to, the actual creation of the video is as demanding as the design of the piece of furniture. Not just the edits, but the narration, lighting, set and background, camera angles, effects etc and it demands a massive investment in time.

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    The bigger channels do what they do so well and so consistently. I'd like to see exactly what they need to do to produce their videos, and how they go about it. I know that I end up with days worth of video footage, and a big chunk of it is me talking to the camera leaving notes to myself saying "I have no idea where I am up to with this video so I'm just gonna build this thing, so don't forget to do a voice over during editing once you figure out where the hell you are up to!".

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    my biggest prob with youtubbies is that so many think they are gods gift to the world.
    While all my woodwork stuff was in a container I got interested in another hobby (bank acc drain) there were so many conflicting ideas on YT it just about drove me nuts, but then I started following 2 different guys that appeared to have their ar*es facing the ground and talking sense, however strangely I thought it all changed when they went money hungry.
    If you have something useful to show do it but all these big heads who think they can make $$$ stuff them. I turn off.

    then dont get me started on safety....FFS seriously I want to see one of these smart ar*es chop a thumb off on video...it may wake some dipsticks up. then dust collection holey toledo I
    introduce me to some of those yobs and I'll gladly lay a 4x2 across their tiny brains.

    RANT OVER....for now
    I would love to grow my own food, but I can not find bacon seeds

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuffy View Post
    The bigger channels do what they do so well and so consistently. I'd like to see exactly what they need to do to produce their videos, and how they go about it. I know that I end up with days worth of video footage, and a big chunk of it is me talking to the camera leaving notes to myself saying "I have no idea where I am up to with this video so I'm just gonna build this thing, so don't forget to do a voice over during editing once you figure out where the hell you are up to!".
    I think primarily as they get bigger, they recognise it as their job and their videos as their product. Many over 100k subscribers will have someone helping, over 1m often have a team.

    I think a lot more planing than is obvious is going on, having ‘set’ positions where you have good lighting and audio with an interesting backdrop framed and you do your talking to the camera, then many other positions mostly just doing footage for B-roll and have a nice mic in your office to voiceover later. Planing and framing your main shots, decluttering backgrounds, adding some decoration to your space to make it somewhere people would like to be all matter a lot, people are watching it imagining themselves there with you, if they feel uncomfortable or unhappy in your space they’ll go elsewhere.

    Also a really beefy PC with fast SSDs for working directories and a high end CPU and GPU will let you preview in near real time, then render, encode and publish quickly, reducing time in the office. What is best depends on whether you use Final Cut, Premiere Pro or DaVinci Resolve.

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    Good work on destroying a thread. Job well done.

    Anyway,

    I like YouTube
    it's all in Mandarin and production quality isn't a focus but the joinery is interesting. It does help to turn the sound down
    He posted on here for a while.

    Also this guy.
    YouTube
    He scoured flea markets for old hand tools and taught himself many interesting techniques - all except his last few videos were without words.

    I hope the mostly negative input doesn't prevent more threads like this - some of us find them helpful.

    All the best, Jeff

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    Thanks, that chinese on will be interesting, though I’ve forgotten the chinese I learnt! I’ll start threads like this again, next time Instagram (as a facebook product that’ll prompt even more alarm)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobL View Post
    Having been involved in a head-on accident with other driver SMSing (ie head down while driving) the law I want to see is when a cop catches an eedjet driving while using a mobile the cop confiscates the phone for 28 days (or better still drives over the bloody thing).
    I reckon that would be WAAY more effective than a $500 fine.
    I have had near misses and seen lots of thoughtless drivers using the mobile while driving, what really pees me off is seeing someone who just left home needing to use their phone, probably the best was a NSW driver using a playstation on the steering wheel while driving at 110 kph on free way .Deterents like Queensland introduced recently are a start to reducing the road carnage caused by mobile phone use.

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