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22nd September 2015, 08:27 PM #1Intermediate Member
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Help - I stuffed up!
Hi there
I have spent 18 months building a table to match chairs and bureau we bought on a holiday once.
It is qld maple, and I have got some great advice from the forum about colour matching because I wanted to match the colour. And i have done so - remarkably, using F&W Tint, then Shellac... and my final coat was to be old-school varnish (terps based - so it darkened it a bit more and stayed with the original...)
And the table looks pretty great (thanks to Nikko in Alice Spring for band saw use, and lots of help from others.)
But at the last I have stuffed up.
The varnish had some bubbles on the top. I thought I might be able to smooth them out (it was 3/4 dry by the time i realised) using so terps. Bad idea. I basically buggered up the finish.
So then I thought I'd sand... another bad idea (maybe not dry enough).
It seems to me that at the very last I am in a big mess.
I reckon I need to get rid of the varnish and try again but... here comes the questions...
1. How can I do that best? Bunnings bloke suggested heat - I did a test peice but ... hmm... not convinced
2. Stripper?
3. Sanding??
The issue is is that I don't want to bugger up the Shellac or the tint...
At the end of the day I could fully sand back and build from the bottom - I know the mixes and have learnt the trisk to get to the colourt, but i would really prefer not to.
Before I stuff it up even more i would love some advice.
I will cross post this on the finishing sub-forum too (I hope that's not bad manners!)
Many thanks for any ideas.
John
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23rd September 2015, 01:20 PM #2
What varnish did you use?
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23rd September 2015, 03:16 PM #3SENIOR MEMBER
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John,
I'm assuming that as you used a Turps based varnish that it was an Oil Based Polyurethane ....
I'd be inclined to strip the varnish off. Unfortunately, you run the risk of the stripper also removing the Shellac and Proof Tint - but at least you should be able to re-do them fairly easily if necessary.
The tripper that I've found to be easier to use, less toxic, and more forgiving, are the Soy based strippers. It is a chemical derived from processing Soy Beans. It works slowly. On Cabothane Water Based Poly Urethane, the soy based stripper started to soften the surface of the PolyU after about 30 minutes. I had a similar mottled surface on a fireplace mantle, caused in my case by SWMBO spraying some fly spray in the visinity of the wet PolyU . With the Soy Stripper, I was able to remove the failed PolyU, and re-finish OK.
There are two brands of Soy Stripper available in Australia that I'm aware of. Wood Craft Supplies stock their own brand Soy-Gel. A company called "Let's Clean" also sell a soy based stripper. My local independant hardware store ordered in the Let's Clean Soy-Gel, and it worked OK, but there was some discolourisation of the wood that needed to be sanded off after stripping. I've since found out that the Lets Clean product is focused on pain stripping rather than varnish stripping. I recently had a chance to help a friend use some of the Wood Craft Supplies Soy Stripper, which I think worked a bit better when it comes to stripping and re-varnishing furniture, as it did not discolour the wood.
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23rd September 2015, 04:23 PM #4Intermediate Member
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Hello - and thank you both for your replies.
I used British Paints Oil Based Clear Varnish.
Stripping looks like it might be the way to go. Just read the blurb on Wood Craft Supplies stock their own brand Soy-Gel and it explicitly says it'll get to the substrate-primer interface. So that'll kill the shellac - but maybe leave me with the tint intact...
All other ideas welcome.
John
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23rd September 2015, 06:19 PM #5
Given that the top coat is polyurethane I think that you're stuck with a complete refinish. Anything strong enough to get the PU off is likely going to remove all of the finish.
Further I doubt their claim ",,,reaches the substraight..." because "substraight" is not a word, substrate is the correct spelling. You've got to be careful of companies that hire people who can't spell to write advertisements.Innovations are those useful things that, by dint of chance, manage to survive the stupidity and destructive tendencies inherent in human nature.
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23rd September 2015, 08:04 PM #6
Just go for a complete refinish. Digger's brand paint stripper is the good stuff (methylene chloride), a $14 tin should do it for you. Don't get any on bare skin, wear eye protection, use a very cheap natural bristle brush (can curl/rot/dissolve some artificial bristles) and it'll have done its work in about 15 minutes.
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24th September 2015, 09:20 AM #7Senior Member
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all of the above and after applying cover with cling wrap film to stop evaporation . This helps with both the fumes and penetration cling film sees unaffected
Good luck
John
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