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Hey guys sorry for not replying to you lately been busy with school and all. Ive finally gotten my wood, but I now have gotten a problem. I just realised the width of my cabinet is too small so I was thinking of halving the thickness of the timbers so I can extend the width. However my teacher says its too dangerous for him to do it so I have no clue what to do. I called bunnings if they would cut it but unfortunately they dont Someone please help, I must start working on the project asap

You need someone with a good bandsaw and a sharp blade. How thick is it - will it still be thick enough when it's resawn? Why is your cabinet too narrow? Is it an aesthetic problem, or is it too small for what you want to put into it?

Well the thickness is 45mm, I dont mind if the cabinet top and bottom to be 20mm so yeah. I didnt expect the cabinet would be that small. Well my mum just took it to her friends house, hopefully he can cut it *fingers crossed*

Damn he didnt cut it. I dont think think there is any other way Farout this projects already stressing me out

I can get you more cedar if you need, but I won't be back in Sydney until next weekend
Greg

What's the actual issue? What thickness boards do you currently have and where are your width issues? Are they across the back of the unit, with the panel doors or with the frame itself?

Without knowing knowing your plans and where the issues are it's going to be hard to suggest possible alternatives.

Originally Posted by Tony_

Well the thickness is 45mm, I dont mind if the cabinet top and bottom to be 20mm so yeah. I didnt expect the cabinet would be that small. Well my mum just took it to her friends house, hopefully he can cut it *fingers crossed*

Hi Tony
your cabinet
are you making a copy of the cabinet you linked to at the beginning?
or something alittle different?

what is the intended size of the finished cabinet?
we will need, width, height, and depth (for now don't include the dimensions of the stand)
how thick do the sides need to be?
is the back going to be a timber panel as in the original or a piece of ply?
is the top and bottom going to be solid slab 38mm thick or some other (lighter) construction?

what size timber did you get from Greg Ward? tell us the thickness (45mm?) and width

what wood working machines does your school have? telling us the school might also help somewhat

are you supposed to draw your own plans for this cabinet or are you following the drawing you linked to?


I'm sure there are more questions I should prompt you with, but the above will do for now

Originally Posted by Greg Ward

I can get you more cedar if you need, but I won't be back in Sydney until next weekend
Greg

Hey i dont think ill be spending any more on timbers, ran out of money so yeah but thanks anyway

Hey well what I wanted to do was to copy the size of the cabinet, but have a different design inside the cabinet. Bad idea. All I want is for the width to be longer. Well the cabinet top and bottom (red cedar) timbers is the problem.

Krenov Cabinet - The Woodworkers Institute

If ur not sure what Im talking about look at that design Im talking bout the top and bottom.
Initially I followed the plan, the dimensions was 420x255 but thats far to small. I want to extend it too 420x350-400. So my idea was since I have two pieces of 420x270 adn thickness is 45mm, I want to half the thickness so the top and bottom would be 20mm and so that I have extra wood to extend it.

My school is Fairvale High, they have a bandsaw, table saw thicknesser etc. Since the timber wont go through the bandsaw cos of its height, I was thinking I should just cut the timbers in length wise, and then let it go through the machine hopefully? Does this sound alright?

Originally Posted by Tony_

... they have a bandsaw, table saw thicknesser etc. Since the timber wont go through the bandsaw cos of its height, I was thinking I should just cut the timbers in length wise, and then let it go through the machine hopefully? Does this sound alright?

Talk to your teacher but it sounds like you could get away with ripping then resawing. Joint and then rejoin the boards

Originally Posted by Tony_

Hey well what I wanted to do was to copy the size of the cabinet, but have a different design inside the cabinet. Bad idea. All I want is for the width to be longer. Well the cabinet top and bottom (red cedar) timbers is the problem.

Krenov Cabinet - The Woodworkers Institute

If ur not sure what Im talking about look at that design Im talking bout the top and bottom.
Initially I followed the plan, the dimensions was 420x255 but thats far to small. I want to extend it too 420x350-400. So my idea was since I have two pieces of 420x270 and thickness is 45mm, I want to half the thickness so the top and bottom would be 20mm and so that I have extra wood to extend it.

OK I think I get what you want to do
changing the thickness of the top and bottom and making it 100+mm deeper will totally change the look of the cabinet, but that's not what we're here for

have you put your 420 x 255 pieces through the jointer and thicknesser, or are they still rough sawn? the following assumes they are still rough sawn
how tall a piece of wood will go through the school's bandsaw? 150mm or 200?

I suggest that you
1) surface one side of each 420 x 255 piece, so that it is flat
2) thickness the timber so that you two parallel faces -- mark the faces with triangles so you can re-orinetate the pieces later
3) rip a few mm off one long edge of each board -- you want this to be a good straight flat rip cut, so you have an edge that is 90° to both faces
4) pass the boards on edge through the thicknesser to get the other edge parallel to the first
5) rip each board through the centre -- again you want this to be a good straight flat rip cut, so you have an edge that is 90° to both faces
6) mark each long edge with triangles so you can orientate the boards after the next steps
7) the wood should will now go through the bandsaw, so slice it in half

at this stage each of your original boards should be in 4 pieces each 420 long x about 105 wide x about 20mm thick
lay the boards out like the pages in a book -- the triangles you maked on the faces and edges help with getting the orinetation

if your rip cuts were good ones, you can now glue the boards together to make a panel 420 x about 420 x about 20
If your shool doesn't have the machines to flatten a panel 420 wide, you'll have to do it by hand


WARNING
what I've described will work, but you will most likely to end up with panels that are 420 x 400 x about 16mm thick
think about whether this will be too thin

also, panels that thin are apt to bow very badly and become unusable -- that is why the cabinet you're emulating uses bandsawn veneers on MDF (or was it particle board?)


let us know how you go

Originally Posted by Tony_

Well the thickness is 45mm, I dont mind if the cabinet top and bottom to be 20mm so yeah. I didnt expect the cabinet would be that small. Well my mum just took it to her friends house, hopefully he can cut it *fingers crossed*

Originally Posted by Tony_

Damn he didnt cut it. I dont think think there is any other way Farout this projects already stressing me out

Originally Posted by Tony_

Well the cabinet top and bottom (red cedar) timbers is the problem.

Krenov Cabinet - The Woodworkers Institute

If ur not sure what Im talking about look at that design Im talking bout the top and bottom.
Initially I followed the plan, the dimensions was 420x255 but thats far to small. I want to extend it too 420x350-400. So my idea was since I have two pieces of 420x270 adn thickness is 45mm, I want to half the thickness so the top and bottom would be 20mm and so that I have extra wood to extend it.

Hi Tony

How soon do you need to start working on the top and base panels for your cabinet?
I went through my pile of Aust Red Cedar off cuts today and there would be enough there for you to glue up a 430 x 400 x about 50 panel for the base of your cabinet.
You are welcome to them -- however, the earliest I could get them to you is towards the end of the week starting November 21.