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7th July 2020, 09:01 PM #1Senior Member
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inspired guesses sought
Hi, I realise guessing timber form photos is a bit of a stretch, but any guesses on the identity of these two would be welcome.
I scored a couple of boards of each a few years ago, and had been thinking for a while to use one pair for a clamp rack ( 20 Bessey Revo clamps). In a spate of small workshop re-org, I dug them out today, thinking to tackle the rack tomorrow.
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One pair is rough sawn (222x25mm), moderately light, and a quick plane to expose the surface, made me think the fleck was a bit to nice to use for a humble clamp rack. Started to think it is nice enough to fashion a new tool cupboard at some point. So this one in particular, I would appreciate some guesses as towhead it might be.
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The other pair are more mundane. 280x20mm, moderately weighty. This was an old bookshelf unit (? 1950's/60's). The jointing is visible.
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7th July 2020, 09:05 PM #2Taking a break
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1st one has gotta be Silky Oak. Pass on number 2 though
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White oak ?
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7th July 2020, 10:10 PM #4GOLD MEMBER
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Agree with Elan on the first one and you're right, it is too nice for a clamp rack.
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7th July 2020, 11:47 PM #5Senior Member
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Thanks Elan, Aldav. I had a look on web at Silky Oak, and it certainly looks like all the pics and consistent with the available info . So Silky Oak it is!
Yes, back to Plan A (3/4 ply) it seems for the rack. The Silky Oak I think will be destined for a tool cabinet.
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8th July 2020, 08:39 AM #6
1st I'm pretty confident that it is Northern Silky Oak - Cardwellia sublimis. 2nd ? what sort of density? At a guess I would lean towards Meranti if its weight suits, mainly say that on how the grain shows in the housing. If it is quite light may be pencil cedar.
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8th July 2020, 07:28 PM #7
As I always say, id'ing wood from pics is a mug's game, but I'm a bit of a mug...
For #2, I would consider Elm (Ulmus spp.). Those jagged grain lines are suggestive.
For #1, I would not be at all confident it's C. sublimis from the picture - it could be, but the medullary rays just don't look right to me. Moutain Ash's suggestion of Oak is a good one, especially since it's from an old bit of furniture which may well have been imported, but Oak shouldn't be 'light'. There are a couple of other members of the proteacae that could also be candidates. If you have any experience of Cardwellia, it has a characteristic odour, though it's not strong, & wood of that age may not retain much of it anyway....
Cheers,IW
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8th July 2020, 07:47 PM #8
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8th July 2020, 07:48 PM #9
I've used reclaimed and new meranti from various sources and tend to agree with Mobyturns on the 2nd type. I think the name covers more than 1 species and it can vary in appearance but those pics look very much like meranti that I've seen, both in the housing and on the surface.
Elm pieces that I have harvested from Golden Elm prunings have a denser grain and less red colour - although other elms may be more like the pics.Cheers, Bob the labrat
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8th July 2020, 08:42 PM #10GOLD MEMBER
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#2 possibly white cedar. If #1 is NSO then it is possible that the complimentary birds are white cedar from the same area.
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9th July 2020, 08:45 AM #11
Yep, I noticed that, MT. My poor expression, what I was trying to describe is the ragged pattern you get when ring-porous woods are cut across arching grain lines.
Like I said, it's a mug's game, and I'm prepared to be dead wrong.
Bob, indeed 'meranti' covers a multitude of sins, and is a distinct possibility for #2 (it would fit the description of not being very dense, too). However, colour is the least reliable guide with most aged woods, and even less useful under an aged finish and less still if the picture was not taken in white light or with a camera that has very good automatic colour balance! So I wouldn't let that put you off your id.
The irony of all this is that many of us could probably make a pretty accurate diagnosis if we had the pieces in our hands...
Cheers,IW
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9th July 2020, 08:50 PM #12
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The one on the left looks a bit like Fijian Cedar, which we used extensively in the early ‘90’s of last century for hotel fitouts. Edit: now that I’ve looked at the photo of the groove, it’s pacific maple.
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10th July 2020, 09:14 AM #14
I had thought about Pacific Maple, also known as Lauan, Meranti, Seraya, Pacific Maple, Philippine Mahogany, with the face grain as it was used extensively as face veneer on internal doors. Don't you just love "trade names" and how certain suppliers in the trade arbitrarily reserve those names for certain applications or on the basis of weight.
We knew them as
"Meranti" - light weight, paler colour, rather featureless, didn't perform well under chisel for cutting housings etc, split easily when nailing near ends of boards, mostly used as skirtings, architraves, pelmets etc;
"Pacific Maple" - moderate weight more "guts" to the wood nice face figure hence veneers,
"Phillipine Mahogany" - darker reds, the heaviest denser woods, much easier to work with chisels etc, used more for furniture or internal joinery, book cases etc.
However the "trade names" are all "synonyms" of the same collective group of "Shoreas."
About the only thing that is certain is that its wood!Mobyturns
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10th July 2020, 10:00 AM #15
From jjw. Com. Au:
Edit: posted before seeing Moby's info above.PACIFIC MAPLE Botanical Name: Shorea spp. light hardwoods Lauan, Meranti, Seraya, Pacific Maple, Philippine Mahogany Pacific Maple is the common trading name for a number of S.E.Asian hardwoods marketed in Australia. Sometimes just called Maple, the individual species names are also used when identified.
The species are;Lauan,Meranti and Seraya
Cheers, Bob the labrat
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