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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Stinkalot View Post

    If it is not being collected at the border and overseas seller Bob charges Jane GST on her new widget, but overseas seller Joe doesn't charge Betty GST on her new widget (which is the same as Jane's) then Joe will be the seller of choice going forward as he will be 10% cheaper than Bob on the same item.

    Its not a question about avoiding GST however based off what has written they seem to be casting a net to capture whatever GST they can get and anything else slips through (but that's ok because they caught more in their net than if they didn't cast the net at all). Hardly fair for the sellers who have elected to collect the GST who now are not as competitive as those who chose not to collect (or collect and pocket).
    This unfair advantage has always been in place. Think of any small time retailer or service provider quoting to say paint your house, clean your driveway or other project against another who is over the threshold and is at a 10% disadvantage straight up for providing the same service.

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    Book Depository new book = GST
    Ebay used book = GST

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrism3 View Post
    The home affairs site is not up to date. See my earlier post - their call centre laid out the rules for me.
    We shall have to see if they were right.
    On the other hand, I made an enquiry to Dept Home Affairs on Monday 02 July, and got the link I quoted above via this email response - so they were clearly directing me to information they regarded as current:

    From: [email protected]
    Date: 3/07/2018 2:42 AM


    Hello Ian ,


    Thank-you for you enquiry. In regards to your questions about importing goods bought over the internet/overseas the following link will provide you with further information


    https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/trav/impo/buyi


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunnaduit View Post
    On the other hand, I made an enquiry to Dept Home Affairs on Monday 02 July, and got the link I quoted above via this email response - so they were clearly directing me to information they regarded as current:

    From: [email protected]
    Date: 3/07/2018 2:42 AM



    Hello Ian ,


    Thank-you for you enquiry. In regards to your questions about importing goods bought over the internet/overseas the following link will provide you with further information


    https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/trav/impo/buyi


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    It wouldn't surprise me it one part of that department didn't know what another part was doing! I did however get some quite clear procedures mentioned.
    I'm certainly coming around to the view that no-one wants to collect GST at the border, and it may not happen, because as Australia Post pointed out to the Productivity Commission, it isn't economic in view of the fact that 92% of parcels are low value, with 77% really low value junk items from China. I'm thinking they will let it go and do a review after a while to see how things pan out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pac man View Post
    Ebay used book = GST
    That doesn't necessarily mean that eBay are applying the rule on second hand goods correctly. Perhaps there is no GST on second hand, but eBay says there is, buyer has no choice and probably not aware of the rule, eBay (and not the actual seller) pockets 10% extra.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrism3 View Post
    I'm thinking they will let it go and do a review after a while to see how things pan out.
    Yes, they are trying to catch the most they can for the least effort. Their total extra effort to catch this extra GST is......well, nil. Nothing at all. All the extra GST that the larger overseas suppliers capture is virtually 100% profit for the Govt. If they then decide to capture GST at the border on low value goods, then there will be a huge amount of work - which will well and truly eat into that profit. That would be stupid idea .....but.....

    It is to be reviewed after 3 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodPixel View Post
    Good luck finding a savvy online retailer that won't ID you as AU traffic, tack on 10% and pocket it instantly.
    This will be ridiculously easy to work around with a VPN. They're going to have to rely on shipping address. And if you use a freight forwarder, then the retailer won't know squat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrism3 View Post
    It wouldn't surprise me it one part of that department didn't know what another part was doing!
    I suppose it's a moot point (in the UK rather than US sense) -- but I'm inclined to think that the written information on the Department's website will be the more reliable answer, on balance of probabilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight Man View Post
    This will be ridiculously easy to work around with a VPN. They're going to have to rely on shipping address. And if you use a freight forwarder, then the retailer won't know squat.
    sorry to hijack the thread (and maybe this should go in humour section), but my wife set up a VPN because she wanted to see some BBC stuff that was geoblocked (young musician of the year in particular) .. i logged in a few times as iceland, just because i could, and now i get occasional google ads in icelandic

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    Quote Originally Posted by robbygard View Post
    i logged in a few times as iceland, just because i could, and now i get occasional google ads in icelandic
    If you clear your browser history, and all cookies, you might find they'll disappear

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight Man View Post
    If you clear your browser history, and all cookies, you might find they'll disappear
    In 2008 they almost did! ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by FenceFurniture View Post
    That doesn't necessarily mean that eBay are applying the rule on second hand goods correctly. Perhaps there is no GST on second hand, but eBay says there is, buyer has no choice and probably not aware of the rule, eBay (and not the actual seller) pockets 10% extra.
    would eBay go to that much trouble?
    Perhaps easier to just ignore the AUS GST exemption list -- which currently runs to many many pages -- and just add 10% GST to every Australian transaction.
    I highly doubt that, when preparing the briefing papers, Finance or Treasury separated total eBay and Amazon sales into GST applicable and other.
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    Copy of an email from ReShip, worth looking at their site about how to ship to Australia for less.

    We wanted to clarify customers about the new Australian GST.
    As of July 1st, 2018, the Australian Goods and Service Tax (GST) will be applied to imported consumer goods.


    Items with a declared value below AUD $1,000,post conversion will be subjected to a 10% tax.


    Exceptions include: tobacco, alcoholic beverages, and declared value goods over AUD $1,000, GST is charged at the border for these goods.


    To reflect the new GST, customers will receive PayPal invoices month-end reflecting tax on the declared value and service fees of goods shipped into the country.

    We want to assist customers through this transitional period and encourage customers to contact us at customer support oremail us at [email protected] for more questions.


    Please see theAustralian Government Taxation website for details.

    You can also find out more information on how this can impact customers and businesses from in our latest blog.


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    Quote Originally Posted by burraboy View Post
    [COLOR=#26282A][LEFT][COLOR=#000000]Copy of an email from ReShip, worth looking at their site about how to ship to Australia for less.
    I notice they make no mention of the process that will occur in the case where the retailer has already charged GST.

    It will be interesting to see what happens if there are any users here of their service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ian View Post
    would eBay go to that much trouble?
    Perhaps easier to just ignore the AUS GST exemption list -- which currently runs to many many pages -- and just add 10% GST to every Australian transaction.
    I highly doubt that, when preparing the briefing papers, Finance or Treasury separated total eBay and Amazon sales into GST applicable and other.
    Well it wouldn't be too hard to just do it for second hand goods - dead easy I suspect.
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