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30th June 2018, 01:55 PM #121
I think you will find that the tax is payable at the time of payment, NOT at he time of shipping. If you order AND PAY before July 1st, then that's all you pay. Any other arrangement is retrospective taxation.
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30th June 2018, 01:59 PM #122
July the 1st 2018 GST On Low Value Imported Goods
I agree with this but how are they going to know which packages were paid for prior to 1st July if the package finally lands in Australia mid August, along with 1000 others which were purchase mid July?
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30th June 2018, 02:18 PM #123
Because the onus will be on the purchaser to prove pre-July 1 purchase.
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30th June 2018, 02:33 PM #124Woodworking mechanic
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30th June 2018, 02:39 PM #125
All of the difficulties that we have raised are what lead me to think that the whole thing might be being set up to fail. "Sorry Gerry, we tried - too hard".
If it's not a deliberate move then it really has been very poorly thought through by people earning very large salaries......(and it's so easy to see the problems that will arise).
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30th June 2018, 02:56 PM #126Woodworking mechanic
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Here’s a thought. If it good enough for the Govt to say to overseas companies “if you don’t sell into Australia over $75000 worth of goods you don’t have to collect GST” why can’t that apply to Australian small businesses?
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Pretty typical of when government does anything really, they always seem to make a botch of it and then slowly iron out the bugs because they never executed it properly in the first place.
I suppose from their point of view if they catch most of the revenue on the way with X percent slipping through the holes in the net they will consider it a success.
Maybe they will make it self regulating by imposing penalties like they do with other tax not declared to scare people into voluntarily complying?
Be interesting to see what happens but I doubt they will reverse it
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30th June 2018, 04:20 PM #129
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30th June 2018, 05:04 PM #130
wider ramifications?
Just how the hell are customs going to know which business has got the 75k limit and when?
Are they going to have a magic calculator that adds up all the imports from Bodgy Harry located in Botswana?
They can't even tell when a HUGE business in Australia is dudding them of $2 billion in taxes and have 1000 employees (i.e. all the dotcoms), let alone some small exporter from Nanjing!
This whole thing stinks like some monty python charade.
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30th June 2018, 05:12 PM #131
wider ramifications?
If you are a rabid believer in conspiracy theories, like me, then this could be the beginning of a wider "thing".
What happens, as FF pointed about above, that it becomes All Too Hard (because as he said, it wasn't set up to fail, was it....)
Perhaps they will simply state that ALL parcels inbound need to be registered for GST. Not just businesses. All. Even the so-called Birthday Gifts from Uncle Bob.
Everything worth more than zero needs to have a code/number/QR issued by the ATO before its allowed in. To get it, one must preregister their details with the ATO. The sender AND the buyer (who being an Aust citizen will have a TFN).
That way, when a parcel comes in for me, they will KNOW who its being sent to and from whom. They have also pre-collected their GST as either the merchant has remitted it (as a payment using the new instant payment system PayID) or I have logged onto the BigBrotherPortal and paid it directly (again, with PayID).
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30th June 2018, 05:35 PM #132Deceased
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Interesting to read all the comments, but they all raise problems from the consumer trying to import items and not from the government and ATO side of things.
Having read the ATO website and the Productivity Commission's report on this I think within a 6 months period all imports will either have GST applied or the hassle of importing small items without GST isn't worth it.
So far the ATO and Customs are talking about educating overseas businesses about the new requirements and they are not yet talking about enforcement.
Some of the not well known enforcement powers are Geo blocking overseas sites through Australian ISP's, which is made even easier with the NBN.
Customs may also charge new fees for handling, holding and inspection imports re GST liability and delay imports from non complying overseas sellers so it may not be worth the wait and additional expenses until you can prove that no GST was payable.
So don't worry about Gerry Harvey as the new system is here to stay and other countries are looking closely how they can follow suit.
Peter.
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30th June 2018, 07:06 PM #135
So in a big warehouse they are going to hold the parcel and notify the recipient that they need to provide evidence that the purchase was made pre-July 1 before it will be released?
How does the notification process work? The parcel will only have my name and address (actually works address). Do they send a letter to advise my parcel needs certification.
Do I email through my invoice (not tax invoice) showing a pre-July 1 purchase was made. The invoice is fairly basic.
I hate to think of this process playing out on each of the millions of packages coming in.Now proudly sponsored by Binford Tools. Be sure to check out the Binford 6100 - available now at any good tool retailer.
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