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Thread: small yet major problem
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7th February 2006, 06:52 PM #1
small yet major problem
I have a problem trying to work out what kind of join has been used in a previous piece, the piece being a very simple and small Shoji Lamp.
When the 4 upright legs are intersected by the rails to support them, they intersect the legs and continue outside leaving a short 20mm stub. Now i can easily join the 2 rails that intersect with the leg with any numerous lapped joints, but how does the leg then continue through those 2 forming a 3 piece joint? This problem is very hard for me to put to paper without some kind of picture to show you. My email is [email protected] and id really appreciate some helpfull advice or tips on how to put a picture of the original lamp up here to view for everyone.
Thankyou for your time and patience
Simon
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I think you might be refering to one of those nutter Japanese joints, perhaps the hogyozukuri-nokigeta-shiguchi? (That sort of looks like an + on a stick, and I can't even comprehend how it goes together. )
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7th February 2006, 07:26 PM #3
You will get much better feedback if you post some pictures of the problem
RgdsAshore
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7th February 2006, 07:54 PM #4
G'day Timberpassion,
Try this link for posting pics on this forum.
http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com...uploading+pics
Welcome my son, welcome to the machine.
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7th February 2006, 07:54 PM #5Originally Posted by timberpassion
http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com...ement.php?f=40
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7th February 2006, 08:13 PM #6
small yet major problem fix
Ok so i tried to edit my last post and ended up deleting the hole thing haha. Sorry and thankyou too everyone that replied already. If i have worked it out below should be a picture of the Lamp im trying to reproduce and u should be able to see the 3 point joints i need to work out how to reproduce.
As the hole piece is purely a challenge of my skills i do wish to keep the 3 intersecting pieces of timber in solid pieces, no glueing or doweling the stubs on as there is no challenge in that resolve.
As to the person who suggested some crazy Japanese joint I also think this must be the solution and have done alot of research as to wich one it was, with no such luck in finding it.
As before any and all advice or help is greatly appreciated, no matter how silly or complicated your solutions i always have something to learn from everyone
Many thanks again
Simon
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7th February 2006, 08:14 PM #7
He He I feel like ive already achieved something just by getting the picture to pop up yay!
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7th February 2006, 09:26 PM #8
more info
K so what i left out above is what the problem is, where the rails intersect the legs is a 3 point joint, all pieces of timber are solid no gluing the stubs on to the outside the legs. I need to work out what kind of joint it is or any ideas or solutions as to how to join the 3 pieces together.
Ive probably forgotten something so if there is any more info or questions u need answered post them here nd i will be checking up most of the night as this joint is consuming every minute of my day!
Thanks again
Simon
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8th February 2006, 12:42 AM #9
can someone post anything so i know this post is even up? i got a heap of replys on the old one and now ive added the picture nothing.
First time on these threads so have i missed something in the explanation of what im after or am i just being impatient because this 3-way joint has consumed every minute of my days for the passed 2 weeks he he,its going to send me insane i swear!
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8th February 2006, 06:43 AM #10
G'day Simon,
That is a beautiful looking lamp.
No doubt a work of art.
Are they tricky joints at all? or merely butt joints with little bits stuck on the outside?The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
Albert Einstein
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8th February 2006, 07:54 AM #11
hope you get it sorted out.
p.t.c
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8th February 2006, 08:02 AM #12
It's all done with mirrors.................
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8th February 2006, 08:18 AM #13
Those joints could be done with 1/2 lap type joints... but would be severely lacking in strength IMHO
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8th February 2006, 10:14 AM #14
Now that looks like a challenge.
Please take lots of photos showing the build, the good and the failures.
There is a puzzle that I saw at one of those magic/science type shops in Hobart that have a similar type of thing.
Will try and drop in and see if I can get one or at least the name.
cheers
dazzler
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8th February 2006, 12:34 PM #15
1/2 way there
So I spent yet another sleepless night working on this tiny problem.
I managed to track down the original source of the pic, found the artist (Nick Falzone) and he has a website of some amazing work (www.nickfalzonedesign.com) but no solution to wich joints or how he has assembled it.
I did find a small blurb about the piece on another website that says he
cut 112 joints by hand for this piece including
mortise-and-tenons
half-laps
mitered-half-laps
The way he does his pieces is keeping with traditional Japanese methods so even though I can find no info about it I strongly doubt he would dowel or plug pieces on to the outside of legs.
Perhaps he has used the lap joints to join the inside rails to the legs, then mortise-and-tennon joined the stubs directly into the centers of the lapped joints???? Either way just alittle update on my thought progress so far, and yes when I do get around to starting it I will take lots of pictures to show how it goes
Thanks again
Simon
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