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12th April 2007, 05:44 PM #1New Member
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marine plywood
Hi,
A friend of mine is currently doing a kitchen for me, and we decided to use marine plywood for the inside instead of malamine. Eventually, I was informed that the marine plywood needs to get sprayed (not sure if sprayed is the correct word).
What i would like to ask is that is it true that when the marine plywood gets sprayed it might be more susceptible to cockroaches ?
Thank you for any advice about this.
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12th April 2007, 05:48 PM #2
Gets sprayed with what exactly?
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12th April 2007, 05:56 PM #3New Member
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Hi,
Thanks for your reply. Actually, i am not that good in the subject of wood, as you might have concluded from the thread i started.
Initially, they told me that I should go with malamine for the shelving of the cupboards, then we decided to go for the mar ply since it is more resistant to water although a little bit more expensive. Eventually, i was informed that the mar ply needs to get "sprayed" (i believe something to make the surface smooth), however, someone told me that this might be more prone to cockroaches.
if you don't manage to understand exactly what i mean by spray, i will try to contact the person who is working on the kitchen, and will try to explain myself better what he means by spray.
Thank You.
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12th April 2007, 06:03 PM #4
Are you talking about getting it sprayed with some sort of varnish, sealer or other type of coating.
If so, I doubt that it would "attract" cockroaches. There are plenty of other things that attract cockroaches to kitchens.
As you say, you might need to get a better definition of what is meant by sprayed.Cheers.
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12th April 2007, 06:07 PM #5New Member
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Thank you very much, i will try to ask him exactly what he meant by spray, and will get back at this thread.
Thank you both for the advices, i very much appreciated.
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12th April 2007, 06:28 PM #6
I would have thought Marine Ply would be a much more expensive option for kitchen cabinet carcasses and a bit of overkill in terms of its durability and weight. Marine Ply is great in the wet and can be used to build external structures and survive many years of rain. I wouldn't like to meet the cockroach that could eat through M Ply
If I were you I'd go with the Melamine unless you're expecting a flood in the kitchen.
HH.Always look on the bright side...
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12th April 2007, 06:50 PM #7New Member
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I wouldn't like to meet the cockroach that could eat through M Ply
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12th April 2007, 07:55 PM #8SENIOR MEMBER
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I think what is meant is that the marine ply will be basically bare timber and a problem being used for cabinets.
For a kitchen if it is left as supplied it will be unsuitable as a finish.
Bare timber would soak up oils, juices food etc and would become a pretty unhealthy surface to have in cupboards.
I think we have had various discussions about choping boards and how healthy or unhealthy they are. I'm not sure I would like cupboards left without being sealed with a finish which would repel any substances which may be splashed or spilt on them in a kitchen.
The beauty of melamine is that it is so great as a finish to repel water and everything else.
I seem to remember from my Tech days that timber was painted/coated to: decorate
protect
and the possible one of also making it "hygenic" if it was used where food was to come in contact with it.
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12th April 2007, 08:03 PM #9New Member
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For a kitchen if it is left as supplied it will be unsuitable as a finish.
And basically, what i am worried about is that someone told me that whatever he is going to use for the finishing may be more susceptible to cockroaches.
have you ever encountered anything similar, or maybe you could suggest me a good "thing" (spray or what it is called) as what to use.
Thank you
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12th April 2007, 08:21 PM #10
Firstly, you said you were using ply for the INSIDE of the cupboards.
Golly gee, it's not THAT long ago that all cupboards were built of ply, but as has been said, marine ply is a bit of overkill.
Just what is it you intend to do inside your cupboards that requires them to be so much more resistant to water than most of the other cupboards in the country? (Just curious!)
I'll assume that "spray" means spraying with lacquer or some sort of varnish. In the good old days we used to stick a bit of lino on the shelves to make them more resistant to spills etc, or newspaper if we couldn't afford lino.
Sealing the timber would be good, to stop the roach poo staining it permanently, but they are kitchen cupboards in Oz, there WILL be roaches no matter what you build them from.
The cost of doing all that (waterproof ply plus "spraying") won't give you a cheaper kitchen, nor will it necessarily give you one that will last longer, which is how melamine (or cheap vinyl which is still called melamine even though it's not) boards came to be in common usage in the first place.
What I'm trying to say is: if it was better or cheaper you'd see it in every new house. Why reinvent the wheel?
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12th April 2007, 08:48 PM #11New Member
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Just what is it you intend to do inside your cupboards that requires them to be so much more resistant to water than most of the other cupboards in the country?
Actually, I am not planning to make something out of the ordinary in the cupboards, but I was just simply for something good and which might last long
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12th April 2007, 09:06 PM #12
Actually Midge, I think you'll find that Moxxu is in Malta .
I've been building kitchen cabinets for a few years now. A few years ago I bought a stack of exterior ply (same glue as marine ply, but not as good a quality veneers) which I was going to build my kitchen cabinets from. In the end,I decided to build all but the cabinet under the sink from melamine because it's:
easier to keep clean
doesn't require sanding, spraying and then sanding and spraying again to finish.
The melamine is harder than any finish I can spray on.
Ply cabinets are pretty dark inside.
The melamine board is easier to work with as it doesn't twist and bend like ply does.
Unless it gets constantly wet, melamine board will be good almost indefinitely.
It's cheaper (not really a consideration in my case as I already had the ply)
In summary, unless you're likely to be flooded or the cabinet maker has already started, get it done in the melamine board. Assuming of course that the board you have there is as good as , or better than the board we get here.
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12th April 2007, 09:15 PM #13
If its waterproofing that is your concern, you can always try HDF, the robust brother of MDF. People may argue this but it is very waterproof. I have used it stables for washing down horses and its great, cheaper to than mar ply. I think the 'roaches' will be more interested in what your cupboard contains rather that what they are made of.
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12th April 2007, 09:44 PM #14
Isn't that somewhere in Victoria??
Moxxu, forget the post above! I suspect that in Malta, ply is probably no more expensive than Melamine!
I think you are building cupboards to last a lot longer than we would. Typically a ten year life (stretched to twenty) is about the life expectancy of a project kitchen here.
For interiors that are not expected to be constantly wet, normal "interior" grade ply is quite ok. If you are going to wet them accidentally (like when you have a spill or a plumbing repair) and you will dry them quickly, it won't be a problem.
You would spray them to seal them as noted above, with some sort of clear varnish, or you could paint them, this will make them easier to keep clean.
I'd be interested if you could tell us the price difference between Medium Density Fibreboard (MDF) with "melamine" or plywood.
Cheers,
P
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12th April 2007, 10:41 PM #15New Member
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Moxxu, forget the post above! I suspect that in Malta, ply is probably no more expensive than Melamine!
Actually, from what i read you almost convinced me to go with malamine, unless he has already bought the mar ply. Also as regards the front parts of the kitchen, he should be doing it in solid mahogony.
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