Thread: "Master Carpenter"

Interesting.....

Someone who can get carpentry jobs by done doing the bare minimum required to meet their clients needs while still extracting maximum payment and follow on business.

Depends how you look at it really.

Having a squizz at Fank Klausz's website recently it mentions that he became a master cabinet maker after completing his apprenticeship and, um, journeymanship i.e. working in three different shops in three years (I think).

So "master" may be a formal qualification in this context.

To me a master of anything has learned everything that can reasonably be taught, and is working on the endless task of all that can be known...

Plenty of Master Debators around here, at any rate!

Regards,
Rusty.

I believe that the appellation of 'master' is an indication of the 'rank' of a craftsman, who starts as an apprentice, spends time as a journeyman, and then becomes a master. A master may then take on apprentices. I think that the implication was that a master had his own business and employed others etc. Presumably, a certain skill level would be assumed because the master would be training others.

This idea still exists in some fields today. For example, if you wish to become a jockey, you must first undertake an apprenticeship with a trainer. That trainer must be an approved Master of Apprentices and to get that approval, they must have demonstrated experience and skill plus there are business-related requirements. Golf pros start the same way. You are apprenticed to the pro, who must be accredited as a golf pro to take you on.

Silent's correct. The term 'master' dates back to the Guild's in Europe around 1500 I think and mean't that your Guild considered you capable of taking on apprentices - who did most of the work and made you money in return for their training and modest stipend.

That's the literal derivation, however, like many things, the term has become perverted by the marketers and ad agencies. I offer the title "Master of Business Administration" as my evidence.

I am top in my field of,...... Baitery.

But ewwwh, I dont want an apprentice. :eek:

Al

"A workman so proficient as to follow his trade independently and teach apprentices"

We had a ships captian in the mob I worked for named Bates, he was aptly named


Rgds


Ashore

Originally Posted by Ashore

"A workman so proficient as to follow his trade independently and teach apprentices"

We had a ships captian in the mob I worked for named Bates, he was aptly named


Rgds


Ashore

Their was an animated kids show on the ABC about 20 or more years back, carnt remember the name. There was two caracters, one called Master Bates and the other Seaman Stains. No one ever picked it up, i didnt untill they were talking about it on the Panell a few years back:eek: :eek:

Originally Posted by Lignum

Their was an animated kids show on the ABC about 20 or more years back, carnt remember the name. There was two caracters, one called Master Bates and the other Seaman Stains. No one ever picked it up, i didnt untill they were talking about it on the Panell a few years back:eek: :eek:

Captain Pugwash was the series. There seemed to be a thing for double entredres on kids shows at that time. I recall HR Puff n Stuff who puffed on his "magic flute" - which I think the producers of the show were also smoking

Originally Posted by Lignum

Their was an animated kids show on the ABC about 20 or more years back, carnt remember the name. There was two caracters, one called Master Bates and the other Seaman Stains. No one ever picked it up, i didnt untill they were talking about it on the Panell a few years back:eek: :eek:

Hasnt that been dismissed as an urban myth now?

http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/pugwash.htm

Originally Posted by Dean

Hasnt that been dismissed as an urban myth now?

Im truley devistated:eek: you mean there isnt realy a Roger the Cabin Boy

A master tradesman is a tradesman who can train apprentices.
Adam's description on post #2 is that of a top tradesman.

Now a Master Craftsman is whole different barrel of apples.
He is a top tradesman (usually) in several related fields.

eg a combination of carpenter\joiner\turner\cabinet maker\carver\polisher etc all of which used to be separate trades fields.

They may never have served under Captain Pugwash but Master Bates, Seaman Staines and Roger the Cabin Boy (long since promoted - after a shift in the space / time continuum - to Lt Commander Roger VC and Bar) all serve diligently aboard the good ship Very Little Gravitas Indeed - as aficianados of these forums can attest!

Back on topic - and it's an interesting and valuable question, Ryan - a Master Carpenter ought to have to earn that title.

Bringing the old guild-based progression through the ranks up to date would be a worthwhile endeavour, I reckon.