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14th November 2005, 03:55 PM #1
"Master Carpenter"
I met someone the other day that said his father was a "master capenter" by trade. I was duly impressed as i conjured up an image of a 75 year old white bearded fellow who was so good he could split atoms with his chisel.
then i started to think about what that really means. to me a master must completly understand wood - every species, orientation, and atribute. one must execute light tight joinery every time, but still be expedient with his work. and finally, one must put every ounce of his focus into his work every second of the day. I guess that's what bieng a master carpenter/woodworker would mean to me.
What does it mean to you?
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14th November 2005, 04:03 PM #2
Interesting.....
Someone who can get carpentry jobs by done doing the bare minimum required to meet their clients needs while still extracting maximum payment and follow on business.
Depends how you look at it really.Cheers,
Adam
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14th November 2005, 04:12 PM #3
Having a squizz at Fank Klausz's website recently it mentions that he became a master cabinet maker after completing his apprenticeship and, um, journeymanship i.e. working in three different shops in three years (I think).
So "master" may be a formal qualification in this context.
To me a master of anything has learned everything that can reasonably be taught, and is working on the endless task of all that can be known...
Plenty of Master Debators around here, at any rate!
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Rusty.The perfect is the enemy of the good.
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14th November 2005, 04:16 PM #4
I believe that the appellation of 'master' is an indication of the 'rank' of a craftsman, who starts as an apprentice, spends time as a journeyman, and then becomes a master. A master may then take on apprentices. I think that the implication was that a master had his own business and employed others etc. Presumably, a certain skill level would be assumed because the master would be training others.
This idea still exists in some fields today. For example, if you wish to become a jockey, you must first undertake an apprenticeship with a trainer. That trainer must be an approved Master of Apprentices and to get that approval, they must have demonstrated experience and skill plus there are business-related requirements. Golf pros start the same way. You are apprenticed to the pro, who must be accredited as a golf pro to take you on."I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the kind of person I'm preaching to."
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14th November 2005, 04:48 PM #5
Silent's correct. The term 'master' dates back to the Guild's in Europe around 1500 I think and mean't that your Guild considered you capable of taking on apprentices - who did most of the work and made you money in return for their training and modest stipend.
That's the literal derivation, however, like many things, the term has become perverted by the marketers and ad agencies. I offer the title "Master of Business Administration" as my evidence.Bodgy
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I am top in my field of,...... Baitery.
But ewwwh, I dont want an apprentice. :eek:
Al
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14th November 2005, 05:04 PM #7
"A workman so proficient as to follow his trade independently and teach apprentices"
We had a ships captian in the mob I worked for named Bates, he was aptly named
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14th November 2005, 05:31 PM #8.
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Originally Posted by Ashore
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14th November 2005, 05:53 PM #9Originally Posted by Lignum"If something is really worth doing, it is worth doing badly." - GK Chesterton
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14th November 2005, 05:55 PM #10Originally Posted by LignumHow much wood could the woodchuck chuck if the woodchuck could chuck wood?
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14th November 2005, 05:57 PM #11How much wood could the woodchuck chuck if the woodchuck could chuck wood?
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14th November 2005, 06:00 PM #12.
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Originally Posted by Dean
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14th November 2005, 06:03 PM #13
A master tradesman is a tradesman who can train apprentices.
Adam's description on post #2 is that of a top tradesman.
Now a Master Craftsman is whole different barrel of apples.
He is a top tradesman (usually) in several related fields.
eg a combination of carpenter\joiner\turner\cabinet maker\carver\polisher etc all of which used to be separate trades fields.
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14th November 2005, 06:04 PM #14
They may never have served under Captain Pugwash but Master Bates, Seaman Staines and Roger the Cabin Boy (long since promoted - after a shift in the space / time continuum - to Lt Commander Roger VC and Bar) all serve diligently aboard the good ship Very Little Gravitas Indeed - as aficianados of these forums can attest!
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14th November 2005, 06:07 PM #15
Back on topic - and it's an interesting and valuable question, Ryan - a Master Carpenter ought to have to earn that title.
Bringing the old guild-based progression through the ranks up to date would be a worthwhile endeavour, I reckon.Driver of the Forums
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