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Thread: master woodworkers guild?
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2nd October 2007, 11:20 PM #31
We also need experts/master tradespeople who are willing to invest in young people, leading them through the various challenges of learning their trade and doing everything possible to foster a passion for fine work. I am unqualified to state this unequivocally, but it seems to me that many folks consider it not worthwhile to train young people .... for a range of reasons. I am sure That for every good reason TO do something, there are a million reasons not to.
I believe the OP was lamenting the loss of skills he considered the trademark of quality work. We differ in precise definition, but I have to admit to carrying on about how 'no one knows how to fix anything any more!' to any poor mug who asks my opinion on the subject. I have met with a number (more than ten, less than thirty) of alleged cabinetmakers to see if they're interested in an alignment where I design high quality period style kitchens and they make them. it has been a year-long search..... haven't found anyone yet. One bloke even said to me "look mate, I love your ideas and your furniture, but I turn 8 by 4 sheets of sh*4!t into money..... I couldn't be bothered doing what you've got in mind....it's just too hard" that was an eye-opener. I discovered that beyond money, many of these fine folk make nothing. They call someone to get carcasses - then they call someone to deliver the doors/drawer fronts/ then they call the bench top people and they fit it together on or off site. I am not saying this doesn't take skills ..... they're just not cabinet making skills in my opinion. I believe this type of thing may possibly be more like what the OP was referring too.
man I am rambling tonight! Apologies all.Steve
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2nd October 2007, 11:48 PM #32
Brett Lowry
I saw some work done by the above mentioned cabinet maker and I must say that it was perfect; Hard as I searched I couldn't find a single flaw, blemish, chipout, visible nail, ding, anything!
His Jarrah crafted pieces, although exorbitantly expensive, were absolutely beautiful.
I reckon this is an (almost) prime example of a master craftsman; someone who pays very careful attention to every detail, making sure everthing is absolutely perfect, someone who doesn't know the meaning of "close enough is good enough".
But as I mentioned - his pieces were *bleeping* expensive; well over the $1000 mark. The guy probably has to make the prices so high to make a living but I reckon a true master craftsman isn't in it for the moolah, but doing what he does just so he can see the finished result in all it's glory.
(Or the looks on the faces of the people who recieve the finished product, for those of us who can afford to give them away - sadly some things are just too expensive to give away)
And thats my rant
Funky C
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3rd October 2007, 12:23 AM #33
My Uncle had a slipway where he repaired wooden boats. He worked 7 days most weeks from sun up till sun down. He never once advertised.
Word gets around if you are good at you trade.
I believe there is far too much "Them & Us" in this world, & you don't have to look too far to see what I am talking about. The thing I have found with my woodwork, is I have common ground with most people on this forum. I may not have the same skills as some & I may not be a master craftsman/person, but I believe that this forum is not a place to seperate us spliter fitters from you masters, but rather, a place to seek & share information.
If you want to be famous, start a TV show. I'll watch it.
JMO
SteveThe fact remains, that 97% of all statistics are made up, yet 87% of the population think they are real.
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3rd October 2007, 11:55 AM #34
There might be more loot the modern way but there isn't the job satisfaction.
ps the old timers were joiner/cabinet makers.
the modern cabinet makers are sheetboard jockeys.
The Craftsman you need is a furniture maker - not a tradesman
PM me sample design of what you want.
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3rd October 2007, 12:09 PM #35
Hi Bob - very aware of the difference, I just thought that kitchen makers would be interested in making kitchens of all styles and configurations. I obviously discovered that was not the case, which made sense in context. I have a furniture maker though he is simply so busy that, as a unit of one maker, has quoted completion times (12 weeks and more) beyond what's acceptable to my clients. I will post a pic in a moment, of the design styles I do.
thanksSteve
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Australia
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3rd October 2007, 12:30 PM #36
Design Samples
Here are some pics of the Kitchen styles I am most interested in doing, along with a drawing set of my own.
Steve
Kilmore (Melbourne-ish)
Australia
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3rd October 2007, 06:09 PM #37
Don't see any major problems with them,
what are your material specs?
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3rd October 2007, 08:33 PM #38Senior Member
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Hi Steve,
Nice designs and photos.
The one with the large porcelain sink took me back to the time when we used to do draining boards in sycamore. (It didn't last long though, got swept away by the Formica revolution).
Cheers
Bill.
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3rd October 2007, 09:22 PM #39GOLD MEMBER
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Steve/Seriph, the topic you introduced is interesting and I would like to contribute to the discussion, but we are really hijacking the thread. Maybe you could ask for this to be moved to a new thread?
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3rd October 2007, 10:12 PM #40
Good suggestion Frank & Ernest - I will start a new thread (I guess that's the most practical thing to do...?) Apologies all. I will get to it in the a.m.
Steve
Kilmore (Melbourne-ish)
Australia
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