Thread: Mature aged apprenticeship

Originally Posted by woodPixel

Can I ask perhaps a naive question? Why would anyone want to do an apprenticeship anyway?

Why not Just Do It? Just open your shop and start working.

Sounds like a great way to get yourself into strife. Yes if you were already competent you could start making pieces and selling them as a retailer but to work as a carpenter, mechanic etc etc you have to be a qualified tradesman or you could operate as a handyman.
Doing something as a hobby is not the same as doing it as a profession.

Originally Posted by maxxsinner

I went through a group training company that paired me up with a host when I did my electrical apprenticeship.
Makes it so the host isn't stuck with you for 4 years if there is a personality clash or work dries up.

The good thing about that scheme, is that you can get a variety of work places and different ideas on how things are/could be done.
Kryn

Yeah i like that idea ill do some googleing but doesnt anyone know of any group training companies for carpentry?


Wood working is one third planning, one third execution and one third figuring out how to cover up the mistake you just made during the execution

Originally Posted by DeSeriousSquid

Yeah i like that idea ill do some googleing but doesnt anyone know of any group training companies for carpentry?

Home - Ai Group Apprentice and Trainee Centre (Ai Group ATC)
They do all trades

Originally Posted by woodPixel

Why not Just Do It? Just open your shop and start working.

"why" is the difference between a tradesman and a lacky. Why is one joint used instead of another easier to manufacture joint? Why are chairs mortise and tenoned together instead of just being pocketholed? Without knowing "why", it would be a bad decision financially to choose to use mortise and tenon. But if you do know "why", the question of added cost to produce mortise and tenon isn't even a factor because it is what it is, and pocketholes are not suitable for chairs.

https://apprenticeshipsqld.com.au/

https://hia.com.au/Training?Region=QLD

I wasn't trying to be facetious.

I've seen a great deal over the last six years since my daughter went to Uni. They offer a stupendous plethora of absolutely useless degrees that only, realistically, qualify them for the back of an unemployment queue. Looking at every one of my daughter's friends, they seemed to think the degree was some sort of entitlement--certificate to a public service job (or such).

I found the OP's post interesting. There are many ways to go through life and I was curious why someone couldn't build their own business while studying (TAFE, CIT, Uni, etc), or if suitably empassioned to go and just start small and build up.

A manual occupation differentiates itself to clients/customers with skill, passion, character and chutzpah. These are innate, not taught.

Then again, sometimes I'm certain there is something important I'm missing with literally everything in life, some aspect of my personality doesn't ask for permission or a "permit"... And I often wonder why others do as they do.

With most trades you need a license to work. That license involves obtaining a designated qualification. In most trade courses that involves an apprenticeship as most competency modules have an element of assessment called work experience. If you already have experience in the industry you can seek RPL.
In NSW, for instance, you can study a mechanic trade course at a high cost if you don’t work in the industry eg. don’t have an apprenticeship/ traineeship, but you cannot obtain the qualification/certificate because you do not have signed off work experience.
Not sure of the building/carpentry quals. in QLD though.

From what ive researched up here i cant study anything more than a hobbyist course unless im doing an apprenticeship


Wood working is one third planning, one third execution and one third figuring out how to cover up the mistake you just made during the execution

You can join as many group employers as you want, until you find a job.

Originally Posted by DeSeriousSquid

From what ive researched up here i cant study anything more than a hobbyist course unless im doing an apprenticeship


Wood working is one third planning, one third execution and one third figuring out how to cover up the mistake you just made during the execution

I don’t know about other states but in NSW that is correct although you can do a pre apprenticeship course which allows you to do the first year of theory whilst looking for an apprenticeship.
Regardless you still need to do four years of practical work but your boss can sign you off after your three years of theory if they believe you are competent

The group training centres are run as a business where they charge out the apprentice to a host employer for a profit.
I have found their rates quite hefty so would not use them long term but they are a good way for an apprentice to get a variety of experience.
HIA and MBA are group trainers as well...... they have jumped on the gravy train under the guise of helping the industry

Oh yeah but the pre apprenticeship doesnt really teach anything useful just general health and safety and stuff like that


Wood working is one third planning, one third execution and one third figuring out how to cover up the mistake you just made during the execution

Originally Posted by DeSeriousSquid

Oh yeah but the pre apprenticeship doesnt really teach anything useful just general health and safety and stuff like that

Not so in NSW. Structured course following National Guidelines. Up to 15 Units from the Cert III Carpentry Course and 20 to 25 hours a week for 10 to 13 weeks is normal. Includes building of community projects at my local college.
Search for Pre Vocational as well as Pre Apprentice.

Wood working is one third planning, one third execution and one third figuring out how to cover up the mistake you just made during the execution

Oh ok i might give the tafe a call tomorrow and get some more info on it


Wood working is one third planning, one third execution and one third figuring out how to cover up the mistake you just made during the execution