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Thread: Mortice & Tenon deepness
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2nd June 2006, 01:18 PM #1
Mortice & Tenon deepness
I have designed a hall table that has mortices of 20mm and 15mm. I really cant see these being deep enough... should I aim for 20 and 20? Or is even that cutting it fine
Attached is a picture of the table. The 15mm hole is at the moment on the front of the table, with the longer frame. I probably could change it around, but I am thinking to just change the whole leg design to make the tenons at least 20mm deep.
Thoughts?
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2nd June 2006, 02:26 PM #2
You can haunch the tennons over each other, which will allow you to get more depth and a better job.
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2nd June 2006, 02:51 PM #3
Another way is to cut the ends of the tenons at 45 degrees so that they form a mitre where they meet inside the mortice.
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2nd June 2006, 07:06 PM #4
A 3rd possibility is haunched through tenons, à la arts'n'crafts.
I'd only have the one through tenon, with the offset two wouldn't look right on your design, but it would be possible to "key" it to the other to lock it in place.
Lot of fiddly work, though...
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2nd June 2006, 07:31 PM #5
Possibly stopped pins through the leg and the inserted tenon, inserted from the inside face, but not coming all the way through.
With the tenon glued and inserted into the mortice, it would be pretty easy to introduce a pin or dowel to lock it in place.
As said above, haunched tenons would be the classical answer.
I understand (but am open to correction), that the general rule of thumb is that the tenon length should be about 2/3 of the size of the member with the mortice in it, so for a 42mm wide leg, the side tenon would be around 28mm.
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2nd June 2006, 07:56 PM #6Banned
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Originally Posted by Auld Bassoon
another technique that can be useful is to do double mortise and tennon joints (ie two tennons on the end of the rail fitting into two mortises in the leg). this allows you to use shorter tennons but still increase the glued area of the joint.
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10th June 2006, 03:30 PM #7
I really dont think I have the time or experience to do haunched or mitred joins, but having the double tenon could work...
The tenons (at the moment) are 30x10mm, is that thick enough to be able to use a 15mm mortice with?
If not, I could try two 10x10mm tenons at 20mm deep if I make the legs 10mm thicker
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laxation, the shoulders on the tennon dont have to be real wide, just a mm or 2 to cover the edge of the mortise so it all looks nice and clean and covers up any little mistakes. cut the shoulder then cut the tennon in half to make the double tennon, then cut the two mortises to match. that way you are using as much of the original stock in the tennons as possible for greatest strength and creating a huge glue surface area
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