Thread: How do they do it - Pantry Shelving

Perhaps they have used a keyhole hanger. They can be concealed.
https://www.masters.com.au/product/9...Hanger-2-Piece
For what you have described you may need a double keyhole hanger on each support.
You will require a screw in a plug for a solid wall. Needless to say the screws will need to be both horizontal and vertical as required, with the screw head out the correct amount for a snug fit of the bracket.

Yes you can get Ramset nail guns with explosive charges that can nail into concrete and brick but I doubt that's what has been used. A photo would be helpful.

Originally Posted by Dez Built

Yes you can get Ramset nail guns with explosive charges that can nail into concrete and brick but I doubt that's what has been used. A photo would be helpful.

+1 Photo would help to try to give you the right advise.
Regards Rod.

Can you estimate the load on the new shelf?
You know, of course, that they never peel off the wall until the middle of the night.

Keyholes are great but very fiddly to get the geometry correct on a mineral wall.
The holes, the anchors, all those things have fairly tight placement. I learned to do
that part first then make the shelf supports to match up.

Seeing you are working inside a cupboard - you might find this "trick" helpful.

https://www.woodworkforums.com/showth...127#post689127

Rather than rewrite it I added the link.

Originally Posted by Arry

Hi

There is no obvious screw or nail holes in the Jarrah that I can see.

Any ideas?
Arry

Hi Arry,

I once deconstructed a wardrobe in my house because i had grander ideas for the shelving and hangers. I initially thought that the tradespeople had used screws but once i got into the process i realised that the melamine was liquid nailed to the plaster and pin nailed. The result was that I tore out great big chunks of plaster and had to spend a couple of days filling deep holes and sanding back and finally painting.

Anyway if there are no obvious nails or screws then you might have a similar problem to mine. I guess it's not really a problem unless you want to remove some of the existing work.

Good Luck.
Cheers
mat

I am assuming you are talking about a modern kitchen made of melamine carcasses joined together.

Modern kitchens use very simple joinery, if you can call it that.

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The fixed shelves are screwed to the carcass with formiat screws. The screws go right throught the melamine cabinet walls into the ends of the fixed shelves.

The intaller would have fixed the sections of carcass together using 5 or more 30 mm screws laid out in an X pattern. This means that the walls of every cabinet in a kitchen is made up of a double layer of 16 mm melamine with the heads of the screws supporting the fixed shelves hidden from view between the layers.

End cabinets and backs that are not against a wall are clad with decorative panels again fixed from the inside of the cabinet by screws, or glued in place. These hide the screws supporting the fixed shelves as well.

The joined cabinets in the completed construct are simply fixed in place by very long screws that go right through the back of the cabinet into a stud at a few strategic locations.

It will be difficult for you to install another fixed shelf without pulling the whole pantry apart. I suggest you consider an adjustablE shelf support system, such as those plastic coated steel shelf supports, such as shown below

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or a cam fixing system.

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With the cam fixing system, the pins will have to be slotted on one side of the shelf...

There may be other solutions... I would go with the adjustable shelf supports myself.

Hope this helps.

Jorge

Arry, most of the time the shelves are attached with liquid nails and pins to the plaster. Another way I was taught to do it during my apprenticeship was to drill holes for dowels and then nail into the dowel fixing the rail to the wall. Skirting boards are fixed in a similar way.

Originally Posted by Bob38S

Seeing you are working inside a cupboard - you might find this "trick" helpful. https://www.woodworkforums.com/showth...127#post689127 Rather than rewrite it I added the link.

Thanks for the link, What a great idea. Thanks Bob!

You are welcome.