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24th December 2005, 10:56 AM #1
Paper backing on oval inlays - remove it, or not?
I have bought some oval inlays to decorate the tops of the legs of my card-table. The inlays, which appear to be made up of about 20 small pieces set in an oval, have an adhesive paper backing. Should I remove this backing before installing the inlay? I am concerned that if I remove the backing the inlay may fall apart. I suppose I could perhaps stick magic tape to the front of the inlay, then remove the backing , install it, and then remove the magic tape after the inlay was glued in, but I wonder whether the backing is meant to be left in place. On the other hand, if it were installed with the backing still on, maybe the adhesive might fail after a time and the inlay fall out. Does anyone know the correct procedure? Lignum, are you there?
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24th December 2005, 05:51 PM #2
These wouldn't be like the mosaic tiles where the adhesive backing is on the face of the tile, would they?
If so, you glue 'em in place with the paper side up and remove the paper after the glue has set and 'tis safe to do so.
- Andy Mc
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24th December 2005, 07:06 PM #3
Could be. But it is hard to tell without actually removing the paper backing, which does not peel off easily. It would need to be moistened and scraped to get rid of the paper backing, which looks likely to destroy the inlay. I am beginning to think the paper, which is very thin, should be left in place, but it would be good to be sure before I commit myself.
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24th December 2005, 07:55 PM #4SENIOR MEMBER
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[quote=Rocker] Should I remove this backing before installing the inlay?
No.
Burl veneers are sold with a paper backing & you don't remove it (unless you are partial to broken up veneers)
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Brian
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24th December 2005, 08:42 PM #5
Brian,
Many thanks for confirming what I suspected must be the case.
Rocker
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25th December 2005, 03:24 AM #6
Just so I can store the info away in case of future need, do you have any pix of the inlays you could post for future reference?
This has piqued my curiosity, and I'm always looking for info to "forget" until it's too late.
- Andy Mc
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25th December 2005, 05:32 AM #7
Skew,
I got my inlays from Dover Inlay, see http://www.doverinlay.com/index.html ; the inlays I am using are similar to the one they have as their company logo. I had to argue with them over freight; they originally wanted to charge me US$90 to send the inlays via UPS courier. But I eventually persuaded them to send them by air letter post for a reasonable fee. They don't give prices for the inlays in their online catalogue, but they are reasonable - US$6.20 for an oval inlay 32 mm x 64 mm.
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25th December 2005, 05:48 AM #8
Ah. I can see why you don't want to experiment with 'em.
And if they look half as good in real life as they do in the catalogue, I may have to invest a penny or two myself. Provided I also can negotiate around that UPS fee! :eek:
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25th December 2005, 11:27 AM #9Originally Posted by Rocker
Here is one example at Timbecon.
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25th December 2005, 11:51 AM #10SENIOR MEMBER
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Originally Posted by markharrison
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Brian
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25th December 2005, 12:21 PM #11
Mark and Brian,
I did in fact buy my inlay banding from Timbecon, but the oval inlays they have are too big to fit on the legs of a table, unless they stock smaller ones that are not featured in their catalogue. I was not overly impressed with the quality of the inlay banding that I got from Timbecon; it appears to be made from rather soft woods that are prone to flaking, whereas the Dover Inlay ovals are made from hardwoods like birch.
Rocker
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25th December 2005, 09:10 PM #12
Rocker,
I was hoping that was the case. The banding and inlays I've seen at the various wood shows left me a little cold as well. There was an article on how to make these exact pattern inlays in a previous FWW by Steve Latta. The issue is referred to in an article in the current (Feb 2006) FWW but I'm too lazy to walk down the hall (too much pud ) to get it at the moment. I will report back later if you're interested.
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25th December 2005, 09:51 PM #13
Mark,
I have seen the article you are referring to, but there is no way that I would have the skill and patience to make an oval inlay such as Dover Inlay sell. I am happy to pay for the professionally made ones. I can see why nobody makes reproductions of Georgian furniture for sale these days; the effort and skill required to do the traditional inlay decoration are pretty demanding. One can only marvel at the craftsmanship of the early 19th Century furnituremakers, who did all their work by Dark-side methods.
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25th December 2005, 10:32 PM #14
Rocker, glue the inlay down with the paper side up. The paper is removed after the panel is cured. Place a damp cloth over it for few minutes and rub the paper off. Bandings are a mixed kettle... the problem with the cheaper bandings is that they are a bit to thin, 0.6mm requiring very accurate routing. The normal is 1mm, giving you a bit more to play with. I make some of the more simple bandings for boxes and cribbage boards. Have a look at some of this work at...
http://www.geocities.com/jimmac_4880/Jimsshed.html
The more complex bandings I buy from
http://www.veneerinlayaustralia.com.au/
Hope this is of some help to you...
JimSometimes in the daily challenges that life gives us, we miss what is really important...
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26th December 2005, 07:03 AM #15
Powderpost,
Too late! I have glued them in with the paper still on. But they look OK and I don't think it will matter. Anyway, I shall know what to do next time
Nice website you have there. I was up your way in October, thinking of moving to the Atherton Tableland; it is a lovely area but I was put off by the long winding drive to Cairns.
Rocker
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