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    Default Perfect Workbench and High End router table

    Hi everyone,

    I think everyone is proud of there workbench! I use my workbench for a few months now and this far it has not let me down. It is very helpful for the work I do the most.



    It is a very nice workbench and high end router table




    I made a video of it and I hope there are some ideas in it you will find helpful.


    Thanks

    Dennis

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    Well worth watching this video. If I only had the room to have such a workbench in my shed.

    Alan...

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    I found that really interesting. I've heard people extol the virtues of the Parf hole layout, and never really got it. This video gave me my ah-hah moment. It is indeed very clever. I note too that Derek posted a similar concept today of the dovetail grooves in a jig to hold boards vertically in a regular woodworking vice (naturally for smaller pieces).

    Also, that impregnated MDF, does anyone know if we can get that in Australia? It looks great. When I built my current assembly table I laminated a sheet of MDF and form ply. The form ply offers great glue cleanup (and the black looks pretty cool), but with use the surface does chip and crack due to the occasional mistake. Any time you pierce the surface (adding holes etc) it becomes a week point that invites further chipping out. This may be a good alternative.

    Kind regards,
    Lance

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    I have wanted to do that for a while and have mentioned it here a few times but my need centred around an assembly table that set the components square for easy assembly saving a stack of time and with the right jigs assembling a cabinet would negate the need for three hands to hold things. This has shown further possibilities and I must get to getting it done on a cnc router. Some of those clamps would be nice, the yellow ones can be gotten here but not the others but I see Dennis has provided links which is helpful.

    Dennis, this is another router table you may find interesting as you seem to be interested in innovation and doing stuff differently

    Yet another Router table build.
    CHRIS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Al View Post
    Well worth watching this video. If I only had the room to have such a workbench in my shed.

    Alan...
    Thanks Alan,

    That is a nice message to start early in the morning. (different time-zone It took a lot of efforts for me to make this video, although it was very nice to do.
    So, I really appreciate you comments.

    Thanks

    Dennis

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    Quote Originally Posted by LanceC View Post
    I found that really interesting. I've heard people extol the virtues of the Parf hole layout, and never really got it. This video gave me my ah-hah moment. It is indeed very clever. I note too that Derek posted a similar concept today of the dovetail grooves in a jig to hold boards vertically in a regular woodworking vice (naturally for smaller pieces).

    Also, that impregnated MDF, does anyone know if we can get that in Australia? It looks great. When I built my current assembly table I laminated a sheet of MDF and form ply. The form ply offers great glue cleanup (and the black looks pretty cool), but with use the surface does chip and crack due to the occasional mistake. Any time you pierce the surface (adding holes etc) it becomes a week point that invites further chipping out. This may be a good alternative.

    Kind regards,
    Lance
    Hi Lance,
    Nice to see you found my video interesting. About the impregnated MDF. Here in the Netherlands it is easy available. For glue cleanup it is not as good as an HPL layer, but it is good to do. Other advantage is that you can make perfect holes in it. It does not chip. It is pretty hard so it almost does not dent.
    I like the color of it. Not to black, but a nice dark gray. Although you can get it in every color. So you can also make it red or Yellow .
    It is much harder than normal MDF. I have 2 other smaller worktables at the side of my miter saw and here I see some damage with the holes and around the edges. So I will change that also in this material because it is much harder. Another great advantage because of the density is, that if you mill a groove (I do not know that is correct English)
    the Micro Jigs are clamping very good. and If you sand the surface lightly with paper, it looks at new again.

    Thanks for you comments
    Dennis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Parks View Post
    I have wanted to do that for a while and have mentioned it here a few times but my need centred around an assembly table that set the components square for easy assembly saving a stack of time and with the right jigs assembling a cabinet would negate the need for three hands to hold things. This has shown further possibilities and I must get to getting it done on a cnc router. Some of those clamps would be nice, the yellow ones can be gotten here but not the others but I see Dennis has provided links which is helpful.

    Dennis, this is another router table you may find interesting as you seem to be interested in innovation and doing stuff differently

    Yet another Router table build.
    Hi Chris,
    Thanks for your comments. And thanks for the link. It is a shame that I am not that technical because that would open a lot of opportunity's. Really nicely doen. But I have a digital read meter laying around and that link inspired me to look if I can still put that in my router. It would be easier to integrate right from the start, but perhaps it is still to do.

    The Axminster trade hold down clamps are the same as Festool offers only more affordable. That was the reason I bought them, because before that time I always used the rail guide clamps. But I have to say, that now they are the clamps I use the most. They are very easy to handle and the hold down pressure is very good in combination with my table top surface. So it would be easier for me to pay the Festool price now I know how practical they are.

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    Great looking and very functional bench. I知 actually building something very similar at the moment. I知 using 18mm birch ply laminated together for the base, stretchers etc and I値l be using valchromat which is similar but a bit more dense than MDF for the top.

    Like you, I値l use the parf guide system for the 20mm holes and install my router plate at the end to use with my Incra fence system. I like your method for attaching and removing the Incra base plate, I was planning on doing the same but instead of clamping it down I値l use parf dogs that screw in place. Have you seen the precision plate from the US?

    Did you need to put any support pieces under the top or router plate to prevent sagging? Or wasn稚 it an issue?

    Keep up the videos, they池e very well done.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooked on Wood View Post
    It took a lot of efforts for me to make this video, although it was very nice to do.
    Well I certainly look forward any other ideas you have. It's quite refreshing to see some new thinking on a woodworking YT channel. It is evident from both videos that you like to look for different ways of overcoming common problems.

    Kind regards,
    Lance

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    Quote Originally Posted by groeneaj View Post
    Great looking and very functional bench. I知 actually building something very similar at the moment. I知 using 18mm birch ply laminated together for the base, stretchers etc and I値l be using valchromat which is similar but a bit more dense than MDF for the top.

    Like you, I値l use the parf guide system for the 20mm holes and install my router plate at the end to use with my Incra fence system. I like your method for attaching and removing the Incra base plate, I was planning on doing the same but instead of clamping it down I値l use parf dogs that screw in place. Have you seen the precision plate from the US?

    Did you need to put any support pieces under the top or router plate to prevent sagging? Or wasn稚 it an issue?

    Keep up the videos, they池e very well done.

    Cheers
    I place some planks from the torsion box around the router, so that is strong enough to prevent it from sagging. I know Valchromat, wich is much more expansive. It looks pretty much the same. Is the Valchromat that much more dense. What I use is in No way comparable with normal MDF.
    I have to for lunch with my wife. I come back to you about the part dogs, because I want to tell you something about it if you want to place the fence on the same methode as I do.

    Thanks en I write you later

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    Is this the same as impregnated MDF FORESCOLOR | Engineered Coloured MDF | Porta
    CHRIS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooked on Wood View Post
    I place some planks from the torsion box around the router, so that is strong enough to prevent it from sagging. I know Valchromat, wich is much more expansive. It looks pretty much the same. Is the Valchromat that much more dense. What I use is in No way comparable with normal MDF.
    I have to for lunch with my wife. I come back to you about the part dogs, because I want to tell you something about it if you want to place the fence on the same methode as I do.

    Thanks en I write you later
    I am back again.
    What I want to tell you is that if you place your fence the way I do you need to clamp it to the surface of the bench. With 4 bench dogs there will still be a little play. I don't think the parf dog that locks in the workbench does not change this. There has to be some fix contact with the bench. That is why I choose for two holes to line my fence up and two sites to clamp it down to secure it.

    But perhaps I understand you wrong with the parf dogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Parks View Post
    Is this the same as impregnated MDF FORESCOLOR | Engineered Coloured MDF | Porta
    I think this is it. I am not 100% sure, but if I look at the subscription on the dutch site I think this is the same. There are more factories that make this kind of MDF and I do not know if they are different from a technical point of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooked on Wood View Post
    I am back again.
    What I want to tell you is that if you place your fence the way I do you need to clamp it to the surface of the bench. With 4 bench dogs there will still be a little play. I don't think the parf dog that locks in the workbench does not change this. There has to be some fix contact with the bench. That is why I choose for two holes to line my fence up and two sites to clamp it down to secure it.

    But perhaps I understand you wrong with the parf dogs.

    Thanks for the reply. You can get dogs with I think it痴 a M8 thread on the bottom, so you can screw a knob underneath the bench to secure it. Not sure if these are the parf dogs or other branded ones? I think your idea is better as it seems easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Parks View Post
    Is this the same as impregnated MDF FORESCOLOR | Engineered Coloured MDF | Porta
    Great find Chris. My first thought was, nice, but what are the odds of a boutique product like that being available in Tas, only to find most hardware chains stock it.

    I note that Bunnings only stocks 5 and 9 mm panels, but laminated to a normal sheet of MDF for extra thickness would no doubt offer the advantages it offers as a skin. For reference, here is the Bunnings listing: Porta 9mm 607 x 1220mm Black Forescolor MDF Board | Bunnings Warehouse

    Kind regards,
    Lance

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