large pin board frame

[havabeer69]

hi everyone.

a friend of my wife has asked me to build them a large pin board for the entrance to a day care centre. they have one already that was built by a local mens shed and they're not overally happy with the design/colours as its a brown painted pine frame with brown cork board tiles as the backing and gal hex head screws in the frame holding it to the wall. more then happy to try and help them and they're going to pay for materials if i supply the labour.

what i'm thinking of doing is making a a kind of shadow box style frame out of some black butt lengths then installing this 9mm pin board stuff i've found online into the rear of it, most likely against a thin sheet of ply or MDF
Acoustic Pinboard - ForestOne - Decorative Sound Absorption


As the entire pin board is quite large 1900mm x 1200mm i'm worried about the horizontal lengths sagging.

Does it sound ok to get some 12mm - 19mm ply (or possibly cheap non structural pine) and put 4 cross members on the back. two would act as a french cleat to hang it, i might get away with one just depends on the weight. these cross member would be pocket holed to the side. i'm hoping by adding the ones at the top and bottom it will give the horizontal members more strength. they would also act as something to screw the ply/MDF backing onto.

is this the right way to go?

the only other option is to put a groove or rebate into the frame and just glue/nail the backing in place. i would still need one cross member to act as the cleat for it to hang off.

being in a day care place i'd really like something that can't be pulled off the wall, but also doesn't have any screws showing. which is why i'm going to french cleat route. i also really need to learn how to use sketch up so get away from my MS paint specials.



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[elanjacobs]

Does it sound ok to get some 12mm - 19mm ply (or possibly cheap non structural pine) and put 4 cross members on the back. two would act as a french cleat to hang it, i might get away with one just depends on the weight. these cross member would be pocket holed to the side. i'm hoping by adding the ones at the top and bottom it will give the horizontal members more strength. they would also act as something to screw the ply/MDF backing onto.

Sound good to me, I would definitely be going for 2 cleats rather than one on something like that and 19mm thickness.

[graham.murfett]

You can get the acoustic pinboard from the big green shed in a couple of sizes and colours.
What if you use 6mm or 9mm ply as a back board? You could then screw cleats onto it, and groove ply into timber picture frame to minimise sagging.
It's always good to see people helping the community. Well done.

[rjtwin501]

I make lots of Pinboards for private, school and office use.
All sizes up to 2400 * 1200 using Canite as the sheet https://www.provans.com.au/products/canite-softboard/
My frames are made from Dato mould download.jpg download (1).jpg (with a 12mm rebate) cut as you would a picture frame. Painted or stained.
The Canite I then cover with an open weave fabric selected by the client.
Clients select fabric to match themes eg kids rooms or colour schemes the choice is endless.
If the weave is to tight the pins catch the fibres and make a mess.
The fabric is attached to the Canite using spray contact adhesive and wrapped around the edges.
Place it in the frame using plenty of PVA glue, then run more glue around the back edges getting a strong bond between the Canite and frame.
To attach to the wall just drill through the frame and attach with screws. The screws can be left exposed or covered.
These boards are quite strong and if more strength a sheet of ply can be attached to the back being glued to the Canite to keep it flat.
Being Canite they also have sound absorption qualities.
Cheers
John T

[havabeer69]

I make lots of Pinboards for private, school and office use.
All sizes up to 2400 * 1200 using Canite as the sheet Canite - Softboard - Provans Timber & Hardware
My frames are made from Dato mould download.jpg download (1).jpg (with a 12mm rebate) cut as you would a picture frame. Painted or stained.
The Canite I then cover with an open weave fabric selected by the client.
Clients select fabric to match themes eg kids rooms or colour schemes the choice is endless.
If the weave is to tight the pins catch the fibres and make a mess.
The fabric is attached to the Canite using spray contact adhesive and wrapped around the edges.
Place it in the frame using plenty of PVA glue, then run more glue around the back edges getting a strong bond between the Canite and frame.
To attach to the wall just drill through the frame and attach with screws. The screws can be left exposed or covered.
These boards are quite strong and if more strength a sheet of ply can be attached to the back being glued to the Canite to keep it flat.
Being Canite they also have sound absorption qualities.
Cheers
John T

Any pics of a finished board John?

How much does a sheet of the canite set you back? The stuff I linked is $77 from Bunnings.

I did originally think of trying to reuse the cork they have and cover it with a fabric as well. But it's not really flat and I worry about it showing lumps and bumps if I covered it with something like heshen.

[rjtwin501]

Sorry I don't have any photographs and at present I don't have any I can photograph.
It has been about 14 months since I have purchased some sheets.
I live in the bush and have a buy up when I go to Melbourne.
The last time I purchased 10 sheets they were $ 45.00 ea, that was mid last year.
My rack has a fair amount of off cuts and I have been using them.
The Canite supplied these day is not like the old stuff from a few years back but once covered it works just the same.
It is almost impossible to purchase real cork now days. Previously I used cork tiles to make some notice boards.
Some of my Canite boards are used as backing boards for Dart Boards'.
One I made once was hexagonal covered with Hessian with a blow torch burnt frame.
Should have got a photo of that one!!
Although I am retired and make a few things to earn spending money business has been a bit slack since the pandemic shut down.
I have been in touch with Provans Timber for a price and waiting for a call back.
Hessian is a popular cover but it is getting harder to find real Jute.
Sunrise in SA are wholesalers of the real stuff but you would need to find a store they supply.
In my past life I ran my own hardware for 40 years which helps with product knowledge.
I hardly ever shop at Bunnings as there cheep is cheap and everything else is expensive and their staff don't have any knowledge.
Cheers
John T

[havabeer69]

thanks heaps for the info.

at least if give me a few options to goto them with.

the canite sounds like it might be worth just having a sheet laying as a circ saw cutting backing board etc. at 13mm thick i probably wouldn't need a ply/MDF back board either.

[havabeer69]

My googling is letting me down. Finding it hard to find a supplier of canite or softboard in the lake maq/newcastle area

The local bunnings sells the acoustic pin board. I might ask them if the can order a sheet of the softboard as its from the same mob forest1.

[havabeer69]

So ended up going with the accoustic pin board stuff from bunnings. Its probably not as thick as i'd like but just means smaller pins.

The people im building them for also didnt really like the "shadow box" design and prefered wider edging. So they will just get screwed through the face, or possibly through the MDF.

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Just done a glue up while waiting for my odies oil to arrive from america

[Mobyturns]

I'm surprised that they actually want a "pin board" with the health & safety risk averse culture our society has developed. Drawing pins and small bare feet are really not a good combination.

Why not encourage the group to move towards a fabric covering that will permit the use of velcro hook only dots or mini-dots.

I've done a couple like this in the past - Unframed Wrapped Suzette Pinboard


Some ideas here - Velour Pinboards - Velcro Compatible Surface - Wrapped & Framed

[havabeer69]

they're not in a class room, its kind of the entrance way just as you walk in so it looks a a lot nicer. I'll get a picture of the originals when i goto install the new ones.

the lady i'm doing the job for has an aversion to marine carpet and wants something a bit more natural looking hence the nice timber edging (and yes i realise that a man made compressed nylon isn't really natural) as the pre-school has big focus on nature and stuff. its also a cost thing, because i'm just doing this for the fun i'm not charging labour so for the price of one those velour boards they've got two custom ones.

[Mobyturns]

so for the price of one those velour boards they've got two custom ones.

I was only posting the links as options / ideas for construction. Good on you for assisting. I've done many similar "working bee" type projects in the past to help out.

[havabeer69]

We're also hoping to send you young bloke there, so a couple of favours doesnt hurt

[havabeer69]

Finally got these up and in. Fairly easy install, i just counter sunk some 14g screws into the face. Covered them with just those black screw caps.

So this is what we where replacing
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And this was the new ones, just blackbutt sanded to 240grit and coated with odies oil finish

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