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17th April 2008, 02:59 PM #1New Member
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Please Help! Looking for table saw.
First of all, howdy everybody.
==Intro start here!
I'm new to wood working. Was sitting at home one day playing World of Warcraft, and starting thinking to myself 'Gee, this really is a waste of my life'. Don't get me wrong, i enjoy it. But I realised I needed to do something fulfilling, and also realised i needed to find a hobby that could make me money.
I have always enjoyed wood working, however briefly. I loved Shop class in high school (got A's all the time), and build things whenever i get the chance but not having the right tools always disuades me from doing anything major.
The closest thing i've ever had to a table saw is a semi-permanent Jig my mum made like 10 years ago which houses an upside down circular saw. Its loud, inaccurate and frankly abit dangerous.
I decided that day playing warcraft that I would really like to pursue woodworking, as i have always been good at it (even with the crappy tools) and if done right it could make a nice little bit of money on the side. First of all let me assure you im NOT starting this to make money, but i DO recognise the potential for my creations to generate revenue. Hopefully to the point where my hobby becomes self sufficient.
==Actual request sortof starts here!
After abit of research it became very clear that my first purchase should be a table saw. After researching for a few days I was at a loss as to which brand to get, and where to find it. It didnt take long for me to become convinced (with the help of you fine people among others) that a $200 bench top saw is out of the question. And that a cabinet saw is also lucrative. But i have decided that my budget for a good table saw cannot be much more than $800 and preferably less.
I've seen some nice saws but as for finding a good saw, then finding a place to buy it (or even a quoted price sometimes) its becoming abit much.
I'm hoping that someone here can point me in the right direction.
A few saws I've seen which seem very appealing:
Ridgid TS3650
Ryobi BT3100K
There was another but ive lost it.
I've noticed that the first thing people ask is what do i plan to use it for. Not really sure, as i said i've done some woodworking but nothing major. Basically I want to start with some speaker boxes for my car, but will be moving to fine furniture and decoratives to generate revenue. Things like finely polished tables and chairs, Inventive outdoor furniture, bookcases and shelves, beds and so on.
At this stage it seems i need AT LEAST
Table saw
Router
Jigsaw
To get started.
I liked the ryobi because its apparently available in Australia, and has the router table.
So, in summary, i guess.
I'm looking for a good table saw, which is available in australia quite readily that is a good saw with good features. And can be extended with (or includes) facilities for router and other things. Budget is $600-$800.
I live in South-East Queensland (brisbane area) and have unfortunately noticed most suppliers are in NSW/Vic.
Also what would be some Good router bits to start with, and any tips for setting up shop to start with (Like more tools i should get or brands etc, and should i think about taking a course or anything?)
Thanks for any help.
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17th April 2008, 03:11 PM #2GOLD MEMBER
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So far I have bought most of my big tools second hand. There can be some good finds out there. I recently bought a Durden Pacemaker off a forum member. It's a table saw, jointer and a few other things. So far I have found it to be pretty good for the price I paid.
The other day I described to my daughter how to find something in the garage by saying "It's right near my big saw". A few minutes later she came back to ask: "Do you mean the black one, the green one, or the blue one?".
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17th April 2008, 03:12 PM #3
Have a chat with Colin at
http://www.northwoodtools.com.au/categories.asp?cID=60
he was selling a demo don`t know if he still has it but worth a call they are at Burpengary.
Keith
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17th April 2008, 03:34 PM #4
Have you considered the Triton.
Well within your budget and has heaps of add-ons available.
... and it just so happens that I'm selling one - click on this link https://www.woodworkforums.com/showthread.php?t=69998Cheers.
Vernon.
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17th April 2008, 03:47 PM #5New Member
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'True' table saw.
Thanks for the quick replies.
Vernon - I've heard alot about the Triton WC 2000 during my travels over the last few days.
From what i understand the triton is a cleverly designed 'Jig' which allows a circular saw to be mounted as a table saw. Im not 100% on this?
What i really want is a real table saw where the saw is built into the table, like the two i mentioned above.
Although im open to suggestions if people have good things to say about them, i quite like the hardcore look of a puprpose built table saw. It looks so sturdy and tough, whereas the triton looks a little flimsy.
Once again i dont actually know much about these things so please correct me and let me know your own experiences. Perhaps someone has used a triton WC and a contractors table saw and can ellaborate ont he differences?
Cheers
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17th April 2008, 04:29 PM #6
These are the main benefits I see to a Triton (and the reasons I initially bought one).
1. In it's base configuration it's relatively inexpensive for the novice woodworker and maintains it's resale value.
2. It's flexible - you can add onto it as your needs change/expand.
3. It's portable - this is where a lot of the other saws (other than contractor saws) can't compete.
4. It can be easily packed away if space is an issue - this is linked to 3 above.
When you look at the complete package, there isn't any other single saw that can match it, but there are plenty of saws that match or exceed certain aspects/features/benefits of the Triton.Cheers.
Vernon.
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18th April 2008, 12:10 PM #7New Member
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Places to buy?
I've seen a few threads where people talk about buying or owning a Ryobi BT3100K, and a few people drooling over the Ridgid TS3650, but for the life of me i cant find where in australia to buy these things.
Does anyone know a website for a place that sells these? Or maybe when an event is being held where i could take a look at something like them?
Im quite impressed with these two saws but i just can't find a retailer who sells them.
Shout out to anyone who has one... Where did you get it?
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18th April 2008, 12:19 PM #8
Justools.
http://www.justtools.com.au/prod2356.htm
Keith
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18th April 2008, 01:16 PM #9
Actually we're pretty well looked after up here. In addition to the places already mentioned, you should look at Hare & Forbes in Archerfield
http://www.machineryhouse.com.au/
and Carbatec in Coorparoo
http://www.carbatec.com.au/store/ind...ain_page=index
Both have excellent websites (H&F have just redone their's). Plus Timbecon
http://www.timbecon.com.au/
is worth a look. Even though they sell and service everything out of Perth, I've found them good to deal with.
And of course you'll want to attend the Timber & Working With Wood show in Brisbane in May.
http://www.workingwithwood.com.au/brisbane/index.htm
Your budget will allow you to buy a decent contractor's saw, which will be a pain for dust control, but will have the accuracy you need for making furniture. Good luck with your search.
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18th April 2008, 03:09 PM #10New Member
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Yay
Nice work, thanks guys.
I havent found anywhere that stocks the Ryobi BT3100K or Ridgid TS3650, but now ive got some model number to find reviews for that i can actually buy if i like them.
More research (yay), ill post back after looking at whats available from these guys.
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18th April 2008, 03:14 PM #11
I saw the Ryobi at my local shop, it didn't look half bad but I was informed last week that Ryobi will only be retailing through Mitre10 and Bunnies from now on.
WolffieEvery day is better than yesterday
Cheers
SAISAY
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19th April 2008, 09:02 AM #12Awaiting Email Confirmation
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Dear LilBug,
I'd be very surprised if you can find the Ridgid anywhere here in Australia, but I've seen the Ryobi being demonstrated and for sale at the annual Brisbane Woodwork Show (coming up in less than one month...).
Regarding Tablesaws, for me it ultimately boils down to portability v's quietness... If you do need to retain the capability of being able to throw the thing into the back of a wagon, either the Triton (with it's various strengths and limitations), or the said BT3100K, both come to mind. Both are noisy and neither are particularly cheap - the Triton by the time you add all the add-ons, the Ryobi from the outset (even if you flash some cash at the Woodwork Show, you still wont be able to get one for much less than about $900). Don't let the Ryobi's sliding carriage influence you too much - it's too narrow left-to-right (as almost all sliding carriages are) to really be able to run any decent sticks past the blade. Regarding the router-wing setup, you'd have to have a close look at it I guess. Oddly, the thing's just been discontinued over in the US. If noise wasn't a big issue and portability was, I'd be tempted to have a good close look at the Ryobi's cheaper little brother - the ETS1526 (stay away from the HBT255L altogether!). I saw an ETS1526 with extendable wings at last year's Show - looked interesting in it's category. At around the same price and noise output, GMC are also doing a unit - the TS1800 - that might be worth a look at too. Both will be at the Woodwork Show I reckon...
If portability wasn't a big priority but quietness and accuracy were, I'd be going for this little "Sleeper":
http://www.jet-tools.com.au/T/Tables...Jwts%2010.html
Much quieter than units discussed above due to it's Induction motor, and table flatness should be spot-on due to it's machined cast iron top (that also wont mark your stock in the manner that the BT3100's aluminium ribs might)... It has a larger table surface than the Ryobi too. Blade is fully shrouded (as in the Ryobi), so dust control is excellent, but you will definitely need an extractor of some sort for either due to the shrouding. I am sure the Jet will be at the Woodwork Show (it was last year), and you should have no trouble picking one up for less than $800. You might be able to get a router wing to suit the thing too, but you'd want to make sure there was a fence available to suit.
Good Luck with it,
Batpig.
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19th April 2008, 02:04 PM #13
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