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    Good work Lance, this has ended up being a very entertaining thread.

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    Thank-you all for your thoughtful responses. I was actually surprised by how many of you do successfully use superglue. Am I correct in assuming that you are using stock stuff from the hardware, and not a medical grade product?

    @Aldav, at early 40s I hope to have many years left to embalm myself one finger tip at a time for a very long time yet.

    @Matt, despite your assertions otherwise, I will continue to believe my wife thinks I’m amazing. She even says so at times. Perhaps she doesn’t use to word “amazing”, but have no doubt it’s what she means.

    @Chief Tiff and @pippin, for the record, I’ve never tried to glue a wound together from the inside. I’ve always attempted to hold it together and apply it over the top. The alternative makes me feel a little queasy.

    @Yvan, please excuse my lack of detail. The best results are had with mixing U-Beaut white dewaxed shellac 1:1 with Diggers methylated spirits, and stored in a glass 350ml Masterfoods Australian Mustard jar.

    @IanW, ahh, it being a blood sacrifice to the woodworking gods which will improve my efforts is a good notion to have. Poor Matt though, as the atheist woodworker he’s all on his own, but then I guess that’s the point...

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    If anyone is looking for bandaids that don't fall off at the slightest hint of water or (some) solvents, try First Aider's Choice; they use the off-white glue like gaffer tape, as opposed to the clear stuff that Band Aid and Elastoplast use, and they do not come off unless you really want them to. I have had them survive three showers without falling off. The glue does soften with hot water and soap (just about the only way to actually remove them), but goes back to its usual strength once dry.

    RSEA safety shops stock them, but also available at various places online.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrich View Post
    ...... While the stuff does close up wounds it seems to delay healing because it keeps air away from the wound. Perhaps someone with more medical education than I could jump in here.
    Pouring glue into a wound will certainly delay healing, but it has nothing to do with the air. My background is veterinary, but the basic process of wound-healing is much the same in all mammals, so without boring your socks off, can I offer a smattering of "wound-healing 101"?

    To promote rapid healing of a cut the two sides need to be kept as closely opposed as possible; this reduces the gap & helps platelets & clotting to stop bleeding & filling the void with blood. Healing involves removing any blood, dead cells, & bacteria (some always get in), whilst making new connective tissue to stitch things back together, while the outer layer (epithelium) grows back across the surface. It takes a week or more (influenced by your age & general state of health) to make enough collagen (which is the stuff that holds just about everything in your body together) to provide significant holding power. If the gap between the cut surfaces is large &/or filled with debris, or if there is any significant infection, it will take longer. Using an antiseptic to clean the surrounding skin, & covering it with a clean dressing will help keep it clean until he outer part of the skin grows across the gap.

    You don't need "air" to heal a wound, the blood provides all the necessary oxygen and materials for healing, which happens from inside, underneath the outer layer or epithelium, which is supplied with all the groceries it needs from underneath.

    Holding the edges of a cut together with glue (that doesn't react with or irritate the skin) is good, but any that gets into the wound itself will only delay healing - it has to be removed before the cells can lay down interconnecting strands of collagen. Leaving the surface of a wound to 'dry' (i.e., form a scab) can be fine, as long as it's not repeatedly wet or abraded. A dry scab is not friendly territory for bacteria, which can only get a toe-hold (usually) where there is sufficient moisture. Healing takes place very happily under a scab - we spent millions of years evolving & perfecting the process long before sticking plaster was invented. Leaving a spent dressing on a mucky wound is about the worst thing you can do, you are just providing ideal conditions for the unwanted visitors to live in luxury, so change dressings regularly & use topical antiseptics as appropriate.

    OK, I'll vacate the podium now.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanW View Post
    Pouring glue into a wound will certainly delay healing, but it has nothing to do with the air. My background is veterinary, but the basic process of wound-healing is much the same in all mammals, so without boring your socks off, can I offer a smattering of "wound-healing 101"?

    To promote rapid healing of a cut the two sides need to be kept as closely opposed as possible; this reduces the gap & helps platelets & clotting to stop bleeding & filling the void with blood. Healing involves removing any blood, dead cells, & bacteria (some always get in), whilst making new connective tissue to stitch things back together, while the outer layer (epithelium) grows back across the surface. It takes a week or more (influenced by your age & general state of health) to make enough collagen (which is the stuff that holds just about everything in your body together) to provide significant holding power. If the gap between the cut surfaces is large &/or filled with debris, or if there is any significant infection, it will take longer. Using an antiseptic to clean the surrounding skin, & covering it with a clean dressing will help keep it clean until he outer part of the skin grows across the gap.

    You don't need "air" to heal a wound, the blood provides all the necessary oxygen and materials for healing, which happens from inside, underneath the outer layer or epithelium, which is supplied with all the groceries it needs from underneath.

    Holding the edges of a cut together with glue (that doesn't react with or irritate the skin) is good, but any that gets into the wound itself will only delay healing - it has to be removed before the cells can lay down interconnecting strands of collagen. Leaving the surface of a wound to 'dry' (i.e., form a scab) can be fine, as long as it's not repeatedly wet or abraded. A dry scab is not friendly territory for bacteria, which can only get a toe-hold (usually) where there is sufficient moisture. Healing takes place very happily under a scab - we spent millions of years evolving & perfecting the process long before sticking plaster was invented. Leaving a spent dressing on a mucky wound is about the worst thing you can do, you are just providing ideal conditions for the unwanted visitors to live in luxury, so change dressings regularly & use topical antiseptics as appropriate.

    OK, I'll vacate the podium now.....
    Cheers,
    So Ian, are you saying to use a Dovetsil joint on cuts [emoji6].

    Cheers Matt

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    I used to be able to buy a bandaid type product from a first aid supplier that was coated in alginate. This would cause the blood from a cut to instantly coagulate on contact with the alginate and stop bleeding.

    Unfortunatly that type of product now only appears to be available in large dressings from hospital suppliers (at their usual inflated prices) so I was wondering if anybody has come across a source of these bandaids at a realistic price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobL View Post
    10 years ago I fell thru a plate glass door and ended with only 27 stitches in my left arm and shoulder I had a dozen or so mm long skin puncture thru my scalp. Instead of stitches the doc grabbed a bit of head hair either side of each nick and twisted the hair together and applied a drop of medical superglue.
    I'm pretty sure that the only difference between Medical grade and regular superglue is medical grade super glue comes in a container that can be sterilised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanW View Post
    The gods of woodworking (& metal-working) demand a blood sacrifice for each & every job. This is a ritual that must be observed & if not complied with, they will seek revenge by making sure the job gets messed up. I keep a selection of bandaids handy in a drawer conveniently close to the action, which covers most contingencies. As you say, blood can leave permanent stains! If it's not in an obvious place, best to just sand lightly & leave it as witness that you performed the compulsory rites....
    'tother ian here
    I find normal masking tape, or the blue stuff, or the green slightly stretchy stuff, or even plain old sellotape to usually be much more effective than a bandaid
    regards from Alberta, Canada

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    I had a vacuum pump dressing on my leg for over a month. Pulled the surgical wound together and removed the “ooze” . 80% of the wound healed so well you can hardly see a scar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lappa View Post
    I had a vacuum pump dressing on my leg for over a month. Pulled the surgical wound together and removed the “ooze” . 80% of the wound healed so well you can hardly see a scar.
    Ugh! ...... and 20% of your leg fell off ?????

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    I note that English must be your second language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ian View Post
    'tother ian here
    I find normal masking tape, or the blue stuff, or the green slightly stretchy stuff, or even plain old sellotape to usually be much more effective than a bandaid
    I have tried blue tape in the past, but found that it sticks so well, I have to be very careful removing it least it pull the wound back open.

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    And old wives tale
    Is that chewing tobacco placed on a cut helps too stop the bleeding.

    Unfortunately I gave up smoking many many years ago.

    Cheers Matt

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    Super Glue . . .

    Oh goodness, this goes back to the mid 1960s. It was originally available in a product called 'Eastman 910', presumably made (invented) by Eastman Kodak? I remember buying it at $16US per ¼ fluid ounce. (Free postage) We kept it in the freezer even though it was specified not to be frozen. That bottle lasted about 4 years.

    While sitting in the kitchen drinking beer with SWMBO we started spinning a Melamine dinner plate on the kitchen table. Obviously the plate rolled off the table and split cleanly in half. I glued the plate back together using the Eastman 910. The joint held for many years in spite of MANY dishwasher cycles. It was extremely difficult to find the repaired plate within the set.

    The funny thing about Eastman 910 and Super Glue it that the Eastman 910 always seemed thicker. When two matching surfaces were glued with the Eastman 910, there was little that would separate them. Perhaps the surgical form of glue is the Eastman 910 variety.

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