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    Default Quarter sawn vs rift sawn

    This is out of interest rather than build necessity but I am somewhat confused between how this is achieved?
    i understand the intent of both, but uncle google comes up with a TONNE of info on this and some of the results become confusing!?!?

    To me, the traditional quarter sawn side in the pic below has a couple if rift sawn boards (the two longest ones) but tends to taper off toward the pith. The modern side has 2 at each quarter but again, become less rift sawn toward the pith.


    then this one....
    Seeing the growth rings run perpendicular, I assumed rift sawn? Wrong....


    And this one just thoroughly smashes any idea I thought I had.....


    So I'm incorrect in saying rift sawn runs perpendicular to the growth rings (mostly) and quarter sawn is a compromise between rift and flat sawn??

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    Here at 53N, those 'quarter-sawn" diagrams are incorrect. Dreadfully wasteful.
    1/4 of a log is cut such that the growth rings are semicircular.
    The "modern" side of your very first diageam is what is done here.

    With our softwoods, spruce, pine & fir, the cut maximizes the yield from each log and mitigates the shrinkage/movement parameters of the radial and tangential planes. Some of one, some of the other.
    What you have to do, with the wood you have, where you live, may not match what happens here.

    Annual allowable cuts here are defined in the millions of cubic meters.

    Not so much these days but I can recall when there was a truck, loaded with good logs, rolling through the city every 30 seconds. In BC alone, we have 18,000,000 ha standing dead pine which is not worth the powersaw gas to cut it down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee roy View Post
    So I'm incorrect in saying rift sawn runs perpendicular to the growth rings (mostly) and quarter sawn is a compromise between rift and flat sawn??
    Yes - quartersawn is where the rings are at circa 90* to the face. Rift sawn is 30* to 60*. Plain/flat sawn by implication is 0* to 29* (at least that is my understanding).

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    But is a flat sawn 2 by 4 a quarter sawn 4 by 2?
    Handy to think about when you are going to rip I down into small pieces anyway.

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    Yes - quartersawn is where the rings are at circa 90* to the face. Rift sawn is 30* to 60*. Plain/flat sawn by implication is 0* to 29* (at least that is my understanding).
    Ok that's quite helpful. So next question being what's the advantage of rift sawn then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by titchtheclown View Post
    But is a flat sawn 2 by 4 a quarter sawn 4 by 2? Handy to think about when you are going to rip I down into small pieces anyway.
    QTRSAWN001.jpg
    The illustration above shows that one (the middle board cut from the plank) 4 x 2 flat sawn becomes a 2 x 4 qtr sawn. I guess you pick your boards carefully, for example if you are selecting 4 x 2 boards to make a laminated bench top 4" thick

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee roy View Post
    Ok that's quite helpful. So next question being what's the advantage of rift sawn then?
    You do not want to waste the wood? Might be some interesting patterns? Stability is somewhere between flat and quarter.

    I understand that Tassie Oak and Vic Ash are almost always quartersawn due to general instability problems. I guess the waste becomes dowels (or wood chips).

    Cheers
    Peter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heavansabove View Post
    QTRSAWN001.jpg

    I understand that Tassie Oak and Vic Ash are almost always quartersawn due to general instability problems. I guess the waste becomes dowels (or wood chips).

    Cheers
    Peter
    Some in Tasmania would suggest that the forests here are cut for the woodchips and the waste is what gets sold as timber

    Philip.

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