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3rd April 2005, 02:09 PM #1New Member
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Building a Redgum Dining Table from Old Posts - Help Please
Hi All,
I am new to these forums today, but see it as a great place for information and advice. I live in Melbourne and work in IT, but on weekends like to get out in the shed and work on projects around the house. I have started to collect a good selection of tools, including one of my prize posessions my Triton 2000 Series Workcentre... Enough about me, onto the current project.
I picked up about 8 Redgum posts, 120mm square and 2-3m long, which used to be part of horse stables etc and would be 20 - 30 years old. They are well seasoned and have old rusty bolts etc through them (which I am trying to remove). Cost me about $2 per post, so I was happy.
My plan is to build a 1500mm square dining table from these, using about 4 posts ripped in thirds (40mm thick) and glued together as the table top. I will also use some of the posts as legs and rails etc.
I have built tables before using new timber and joined using biscuits and Glue and this has worked successfully, I have used old hardwood before and the joints split in certain places after a month or so...
My Questions are as follows:
1. As the posts are old and I hear that Redgum can twist and change, is there anything I should do to the timber after I have ripped it and cut to size before I start joining it ?
2. Is biscuit joining suitable for this type of timber or do you have other recommendations?
3. Should I use a particular glue for the table top? I normally use Weldbond Universal Adhesive for these types of projects.
Any other advice relating to this type of project would be helpful. Thank you all in advance for this. I look forward to your responses.
Thank you, LindenLast edited by lindenj; 3rd April 2005 at 03:47 PM.
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3rd April 2005, 07:35 PM #2In pursuit of excellence
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G'day Linden, welcome to the Board.
My 2 cents worth :
- 40mm thick redgum boards on 1500 square will probably translate to a LOT of weight. I'm building a 2200x1100 dining table at the moment out of 30mm thick tas oak boards, and the tabletop is just on the threshold of me being able to handle it myself.
- To minimise movement, rip the timber up so that the resultant boards are as close to quartersawn as you can make them. Basically this means that if you look at the end of the timber, the growth rings bisect the face of the timber by an angle of 45 degrees or greater. (That's the best description I can give without pictures, if you're not sure what I'm talking about try googling "quarter sawn explained" or similar).
- 1500mm worth of boards butted edge to edge will be a challenge to clamp up so that they end up flat, so put some thought into how you will do this.....
- Look for a glue that doesn't creep (where the timber pieces move slightly relative to each other, after the glue has dried). I started using TitebondIII because of this, after getting the problem with PVA based "woodworking" glues.
Good luck with your project.
Cheers,
Justin.
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3rd April 2005, 07:51 PM #3
Hi Linden and welcome! I like a lad who is willing to go heels and all into a project! The advice so far is extremely sound - your table will be a stunner, especially when it comes time to move house! I am wondering if it would be a funky idea to make it with some blackened steel straps (a la Japanese architecture style) to hold the top together and thereby enable easy disassembly+transport if required. I can suggest/send you some table style pics that I fee lwould reveal the beauty of redgum. ALso, I may be able to refer you to someone who has chairs that would suit - not from Redgum but suitable.
First things first though - get clear on a design (1500 square is becoming incredibly popular nowadays) - then explore how to cut your material down correctly, as mentioned.
When you look at the material can you see the twist, bowing,cupping in it? I imagine you can, being Redgum posts. THis will need to be removed to facilitate getting the pieces you want.
Do you have a leg style in mind yet?
That'll do for question-time for now I guess .... look forward to hearing back - this will be a wonderful table, I am sure.
have fun!!!Steve
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3rd April 2005, 08:01 PM #4
Firstly you wont get 40mm boards once you resaw the timber as you have to allow for the kerf then you have to allow for the planing off of the exterior of the posts.
From the 40 you will probably get 30mm boards depending on straight they are. You give us no idea as to whether you have a thicknesser, jointer or bandsaw. All invaluable tools for what youre doing. So tell us if you have those machines.
What I would do is draw up a cutting list first. I always do. I then cut the timber a little longer than I need it to be. Have a few extra if possible for badly warped boards that may occur.
Then start dressing the timber. Again in dimensions larger than the final dimensions.
Then stack the dressed timber with even packers between each board. See what the wood does over a short period of time then finally dress the timber to size. Best results are achieved if you glue up the boards soon after final dressing as they are less likely to repel the glue. See recent issues of Aust Wood Reveiw regarding this phenomenon.
I think biscuits are ok for the top but I would use a stronger joint (mortise and tenon)for the legs and rails or even metal brackets if you like. Redgum is really heavy and I wouldnt trust just the biscuits. Another possibility is long coach screws with plugs.
As far as glue is concerned I like using epoxy (West System) but I dont think it expands the biscuits as much as PVA. But I use the biscuits more to line up the top than for their strength
Good luck with the project. I hope this helped.
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3rd April 2005, 09:12 PM #5
After you saw the posts into planks store them for a few weeks.
This will allow the timber to settle down and you may identify warpages and twisting caused by internal stresses or uneven moisture content.
I have salvaged old posts and occaisionally 1 of the new boards can do a corkscrew. If you slap a table top together immediately 1 cranky board can twist the top right out of shape.
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5th April 2005, 11:17 PM #6New Member
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Thanks all, I will keep you up to date. All is on hold till weekends.
Linden