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**GraemeCook** · 30th December 2020, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by LanceC

After asking the question of Riverbuilder I did go searching for some "official" videos of how it is supposed to be done, and my initial reaction was "that's a very slow laborious process". After a little pondering however I realised that I simply don't make that many cuts in the overall scheme of a project, and so the time difference over an entire project is going to be negligible. I would imagine too that when it's not being explained it does go pretty quickly.

I guess the important part is that with this technique, you really are clear of the blade, in that your only interaction with the saw is pushing the slider through.

Thanks for taking the time to explain Graeme

NO, its not.

The first few times it is slow until you start to realise the power of the technology that you are using. But as soon as you are up to speed it is quite fast.

In practice it is as fast as this:

You walk the slider through a cut,
Then you walk the slider back to the start,
Then you release the cam on the hold down(s),
Then you slide the timber over to the fence,
Then you fasten the cams,
Then You walk the slider through a cut - we are repeating.

The secret is that the roller bearings on the slider table are far smoother than virtually anyone can guide a piece of timber through a cabinet saw. The cut surface should not need jointing. If it does then either the slider is not set up properly or the operators technique needs attention.

The slider is really analogous to a really big cabinet saw sled or even a shooting board (except the timber moves rether than the blade). It just cuts better than a cabinet saw. And far safer.

Here are a couple of promotional videos from Felder featuring their combination machines - sliding top table saw, jointer, thicknesser, spindle molder, router, etc. Seth really makes joinery look easy.

Making a walnut topped desk:
FELDER(R) - CF 741 S - THE WINNING COMBINATION (English) - YouTube

Making a pine bed:
DIY Wooden Bed, made with FELDER(R) woodworking machines - YouTube

A promotional video of the Felder CF 741 S combo - I know, its $$$$$, but we can always dream:
FELDER(R) - CF 741 S - THE WINNING COMBINATION (English) - YouTube

**GraemeCook** · 30th December 2020, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by Chris Parks

F & F jig is the simplist and safest way to rip on a slider. I never use a rip fence and it sits on a shelf gathering dust except for some rare occasions and in it place a 200mm long piece sits in its place. This is used as a dimension bump stop and means I am not forever walking around the end of the rip fence hanging off the table.
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Good Morning Chris

I have never used an F&F jig, and have never even seen one in use, but intuitively I can see its attraction for ripping short pieces of timber. (Also for cross cutting.)

However, I am having difficulty in envisaging how securely it would hold longer pieces of timber. And also whether it would also be faster or more accurate than my "hold down technique".

Am I missing something?

Graeme

**Mobyturns** · 10th January 2021, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by jack620

My bold. There's a big difference between none and minimal. What is Felder's definition of 'minimal'?

Good question. Perhaps less than SawStop.

**Chris Parks** · 10th January 2021, 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by GraemeCook

Good Morning Chris

I have never used an F&F jig, and have never even seen one in use, but intuitively I can see its attraction for ripping short pieces of timber. (Also for cross cutting.)

However, I am having difficulty in envisaging how securely it would hold longer pieces of timber. And also whether it would also be faster or more accurate than my "hold down technique".

Am I missing something?

Graeme

Graham, sorry I missed your question but all I can say if it does not look safe don't do it, I use mine on long lengths but thinner timber is not suitable, what constitutes too thin is of course up to the operator. A slider if used correctly will not kick back but a SS will, I am sure you know that. I have used a cabinet saw for many years and a slider for many years and I know which I prefer on safety grounds and it is not a SS or any cabinet saw and until someone has used both they can't make a valid comparison at all. The F&F jig came out of Germany where it was developed and promoted as a safety item by trade associations or possibly some government organisations and I believe to encourage the use of them they were given away at trade shows etc at no cost.

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