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    Default Shed insulation.

    I don't suppose this will attract comments from those of you - probably the majority - who dwell in the Antipedes and the Pacific Rim. (Did I get that right teacher?)

    I'm about to complete my new garden shed which will be used for minor woodworking and storage, thus leaving the main workshop for my woodturning exploits.

    Now for you kind people living in colder climes, notably North America, Scotland and Wales for example, who experience cold weather inthe winter time, unlike the first group, who are rumoured to run around in Bermuda shorts and drink quantities of 'tinnies' whilst doing barbecues - well that's the received view from the UK I suspect.

    How shall I insulate this shed? It's pretty cold here at the moment.
    I'm thinking, to fill a gap about 1" deep; a) loose fill b) sheets of MDF c) cut panels of sheet Polystyrene d) expanding foam e) sheet insulation (loft type) with Rockwool sealed between layers of foil. All this behind a plywood lining.

    I am just at the 'fitting out' stage, harder than I expected , and for info. the shed is pitched (Apex) roofed, shiplap walls. Compositin roof and close boarded floor. The whole is about 10.5 Ft X 6Ft 8"" and stands on a slabbed base with 4" of crushed concrete, sharp sand & cement beneath that.

    Anyone offer enlightenment?

    docusk
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    On the other hand.....

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    I'd just go with rockwool behind the ply lining. Cheap, long lasting and great insulation. Easy to install too...

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    Having moved recently from Chicago..... They seem to use ( I'm sure as a part of an overall insulation package) Tyvek building wrap and plywood cladding under the siding/outer layer. I assume it is to stop drafts.
    http://www2.dupont.com/Tyvek_Construction/en_US/

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    polystyurene is a fire hazard
    plus it emits toxic fumes when it burns
    Regards, Bob Thomas

    www.wombatsawmill.com

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    Thanks for the many replies also the pointers to sites and further information.
    I will be able to do some tracking down after the holidays.
    Interesting to see how may of the replies and to other linked problems, came from Oz. I hadn't thought, insulation is a 2 way street. You need to keep it cool more than we do.
    Bless you all and here's to another enjoyable year in the company of a bunch of really good guys.
    I was in the country a few years back, well 1946 actually, in Flinders RAN Dockyard/Base for boiler cleaning or some such. Probably closed down now. It was late autumn and even then was b....y hot.
    Happy chipping.
    docusk
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    Sorry docusk but you did ask the question. No, "Antipedes' is actually spelt Antipodes.

    Re insulation which has been pretty well covered, my only extra comment would be to exclude all drafts.

    Happy New Year.
    prozac

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    It's only 43 under the veranda at the moment. Was 45 yesterday.
    Celcius that is. Close enough to 110F. And with a hot dry wind.

    I never thought that I would be willing to trade 20C for a foot of snow before..


    Ken.

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    Oops. I did know that so it must have been just another digital slip. My digit of course. Why don't they put spellcheckers into forums (or is it fora)?

    For all that, I visit a lot of forums and this is far & away the most entertaining and informative.

    And a happy New Year to you
    docusk
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    We like insulation down here don't you worry about that.

    HEAT

    you want to keep it in we want to keep it out.

    unless we live in the frozen south, which gets as cold as the UK in winter and as hot as darwin in summer ( well almost)....wep we are very keen on insulation.

    In fact in QLD it is illegal to build a new house that isnt 5 star energy rated.... that includes insulation.

    polyester bats are my choice. cheers
    Any thing with sharp teeth eats meat.
    Most powertools have sharp teeth.
    People are made of meat.
    Abrasives can be just as dangerous as a blade.....and 10 times more painfull.

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    Thanks soundman, I have me to realise that heat - the type you get - is as much bother as cold, if not more.
    What is/are polyester bats? I have seen them mentioned but no details.
    Rockwool and most of the others are readily available over here so I can' visualise it.
    Cheers and a very happy new year.
    docusk
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    Polyester Bats are hung upside down and nailed at each wing tip. It is best to tap them on the head before installation as the droppings can be messy.

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    Just to add to what Linden said:

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    Aha!!! You two can put on the baddies hat and stand in the naughty corner for 20 minutes for taking the urine out of a poor old Pom who never did anyone any harm.
    Still, a hearty HO ho ho from England, all the other guys sighing sighs of relief saying "Glad it wasn't me that asked!"
    I'm not a one to carry a grudge of course, but I'll get you one of these days!!!!!

    Happy 2008 to all the woodies all over the world. The internet has certainly shrunk the boundaries.

    docusk 11:34 pm UK time 31-12-2007
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    Back again after all your advice, all noted and some taken, I started work on the 'overflow' shed in November. Grandsons-in-law created the base in a very short space of time - one's a superb brickie and the other is a site manager, former joiner.
    Now just sit and wait till the bits are delivered.
    Late Nov. shed arrived and the first weekend (weather probs) it was fit for work, I was away at a meeting. Not that I could do much as can't climb ladders and swivel round with parts of sheds as I'm legwise disabled. Service attributable.
    However, when I got home weary and whacked from London, the shed was UP. Daughter and partner plus the two aforementioned g/sons in law had worked all through the day and up it went, all but the roof.
    Following weekend on went the roof and the end trims and so forth and you'd think that was OK. But NOOOOO!
    I had to do the electrics with enough sockets at waist height to preclude add-ons at the most inconvenient times. Now there are 6 twin sockets and two triples with a state-of-the-art CRB box , twin 6 foot Flu tubes and so forth. Armoured cable in a catenary supply the power.
    Then we start on the insulation. It's also when I re-named the shed from 'Dunromin' (as if) to "The money pit"
    I started out with (I thought) enough sheets of 25mm expanded polystyrene (fireproofed) and same of 6 mm MDF for lining. Silly old me. Not nearly enough and my trips to the builder's merchants continued almost daily. I had previously bought a compressor with a nail gun wich was beaut for putting on the MDF with 'No more nails' sticking the bats to the walls.
    It's still not finished but almost there. The roof insulation is taking the most time because of the whatsits that hold the roof apex up. Purlins?
    Whatever, the job is very absorbing and soon as I finish it all I start on my super vibration free lathe bench.
    Here's a few pics of the progress so far.
    Docusk
    If I had a pound for every clever and successful Idea I have had over the years --- I'd still be broke!
    On the other hand.....

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    I haven't been on the forum for quite a while so thought I'd give you a buzz.

    Just to update you on my wonderful new shed. spent the rest of the summer fitting it out with shelving and workbenches, duplicating small tools and hand electric stuff, bought a pillar drill and a small engineering lathe from E-bay and all up and running. But.....

    Have you ever experienced that sick feeling in the pit of your stomach when you find you've been burgled?
    Well that's what happened. Scrotes took the screws out of the door hinges and stole all the loot they could carry, compressor, spray guns and tubing, jigsaw & scroll saw, circular saw, glue gun, screwdrivers and so on. Came in the garden over the back fence (through rather) OK, I know the insurance covered it, all but £50 and I replaced it all but it's still making me angry.
    I've now put square section coach bolts in the hinges, now have a 2" box section bar across the doors with three high quality padlocks plus a remote controlled intruder alarm and next month, CCTV and steel mesh across the windows.

    Just shows, nothing is safe from thieving b......s

    docusk Berkshire England
    If I had a pound for every clever and successful Idea I have had over the years --- I'd still be broke!
    On the other hand.....

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