22nd Feb 2009, 01:38 PM #1
Silly question..., but are machinery prices on the increase
I am in the market to buy a CTH-110L from Carba -Tec.
What I am hearing is their 2009 dogalog should be out next month.
Are they going to increase prices, due to the economy , dollar etc...?
Should I wait or buy now?
Any input, inside info, would be appreciated.
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22nd Feb 2009, 01:44 PM #2
Hi ya Wolften,
Was in their shop in Brisbane last week and everything has been increased by 20% on the 2008 dogalogue, So if you can, get it now and use it
The fun soon out weighs the price increase.
SteveDiscover your Passion and Patience follows.
22nd Feb 2009, 01:53 PM #3
...they sure have Steve.
But the now prices have have been like that for a few months, and I hear there maybe another increase.
22nd Feb 2009, 01:53 PM #4
Carbatec raised prices across the whole board last October/November I think it was, so doubt that there'll be any more increases soon.
It was discussed here on the board then to.
24th Feb 2009, 03:34 PM #5
As DJ said, Carba-Tec raised their prices across the board late last year even on existing stock. I saw a particular item that was priced at $3 raised to $5 after the price increase which is quite a rise. oops nearly typed ride instead of rise.Reality is no background music.
24th Feb 2009, 05:15 PM #6
...as DJ said...prices rose late last year.
I have in my possession the 2009 catalog. There a few nice surprises, but most have gone up by about 10%... but...
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that saw is on special at carbatec at the moment
25th Feb 2009, 02:18 PM #8Senior Member
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Aside from this particle piece of equipment from this particular retailer, it is not a guarantee that prices will continue to increase.
As the economic crisis continues and the sales volumes fall, company's will face increasing levels of inventory... or in other words stuff they haven't sold. The decision they face is to either sit on it and not lower their price, or move it by lowering the price. Some brands who position themselves as a "premium" brand may not want to be seen to be giving themselves away too cheaply, as this undermines the brand. However this decision means they will need to endure the short term pain of lower revenues and profits.
In the current market credit is hard to find. So where a company would once utilise a bank overdraft or similar debt facility to see out the fall in sales and revenue, this option is no longer available. Hence why there has been so many equity raisings on the exchange as of late. If you cant borrow the money, get your shareholders to pump some more in.
Anyway the upshot of this is, some manufacturers and suppliers of machinery might have to look at lowering prices to ensure they are making some sales, and getting some cashflow. You are better off running at nil profit while you wait for the good times to return, rather than going bust protecting your premium brand.
25th Feb 2009, 10:35 PM #9
Market forces are dictated by the customer also. Carbatec is not the only supplier of saws. Look around.
26th Feb 2009, 11:14 AM #10
These price rises have been in the wind for quite some time.
BHP billiton has hit the chineese with two huge price rises on iron ore in the last 12 or 18 months.
Aluninium has had some huge price rises in the last couple of years too.
Some of these suppliers have been sitting on their prices for some time supported by stock holdings purchased at the old price....
as those stock holdings are consumed and they have to order from suppliers in similar situations....AND.... they have to do it with the disadvantage in the currency market.
well they have to put their prices up.
There have been and still are quite a few clearance bargins to be had all over the place as retailers and wholesalers clear stale stock and old models.
The fishing gear market has been incredible over the last few months.
There are whole new ranges comming in and at significantly increased prices so, both wholesalers and retailers are trying to perge the market of older cheaper lines and convert stale stock into cash.
I have even heard of people from the small independet stores buying up rediculous bargins from the chain stores, when the big players have run out of bargins... they can double their money and this stuff will still be cheap.
But I don't see that happening in the woodworking market.... because our products simply do not change that fast and most of the players are direct importers.
We may see some bargins in the next few months as some of the suppliers feel the heat.... but who knows.
There may also be some stuff come on the second hand market as poor unfortunates have to sell their stuff to pay the bills or they move into smaller accomadation where they cant have their gear....... juts hope it isn't you or me
I note that H&F put their prices up too.... but they have a sale comming.
I wonder what the wood show will be like this year.
cheersAny thing with sharp teeth eats meat.
Most powertools have sharp teeth.
People are made of meat.
Abrasives can be just as dangerous as a blade.....and 10 times more painfull.
26th Feb 2009, 12:15 PM #11Senior Member
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The offset to any fall in sales volume and any associated price decrease used by suppliers to get at least some stock moving is the possibility of a further devaluing of the Aussie dollar. We've been at 65c US for a while but some economists are expecting another "step" change... we could end up settling at 60c or something similar. Any business that isnt using a currency hedge will be asked to absorb the currency defaltion or pass it onto customers.
It's going to be difficult for some suppliers. I would expect to see some closures. I once read Thomas Lee rightly saying that his competitors are anything else that commands the descretionary spend of woodworkers.
With lay-offs and people deciding to save or pay off credit card debts, woodwork retailers may find themselves shunted down the priority list.
Hopefully the Australian suppliers survive and we maintain what limited competition there is. Otherwise there is no chance of prices ever decreasing.
26th Feb 2009, 08:35 PM #12
As per djfoggin's post above, I have just opened a flyer from Carbatec and the CTH-110LT ( the T stands for Titanium covered top) is on special for $1595. They list a normal price as $2395, on sale until 30/3/9
I wasn't in a hurry for a new saw, but this is tempting meTry to look unimportant, they may be low on ammo.
26th Feb 2009, 09:18 PM #13
New saw hey!! Good thought! Why not keep an eye on the upcoming auctions and buy a Commercial machine with greater accuracy and better ergonomics for about the same price? I wouldn't mind betting there will be a few come on the market soon. Although they are always out there, you just have to look.
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